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Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8? (SOLVED)
« on: February 05, 2019, 12:34:37 pm »
I cannot produce a PM9 live ISO. Is there a way to upgrade PM8 to PM9 from within PM8. Or is the only way to get PM9 to download directly? (SOLVED)
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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 01:19:30 pm »
Hi maxy2,

There is no way to directly upgrade Peppermint 8 to Peppermint 9:(

You need to obtain the new ISO and install it. If you need help producing your installation medium, ask back here again and describe what it is that you have been doing, what the results are, etc. The more detail the better for us to help you.

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 02:49:44 pm »
Why can't you produce a PM9 LiveUSB ?
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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2019, 07:08:40 pm »
Thanks for the replies.

To produce a live ISO with persistence I have tried different data sticks, different PC's and different live ISO creator software (Live Linux, Unetbootin, Yumi and Mkusb).

All seem to stall at 'starting up'. Peppermint 8 works using the exact same techniques.

Something changed in the PM9 software?

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2019, 08:52:54 pm »
Do you need persistence? If not, you can just use the USB Image Writer in the System menu in Peppermint 8. It just writes the image to the flash drive, no extras. It will work.

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2019, 06:05:09 am »
As a matter of interest, can you post the output from
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inxi -Fz
from Peppermint 8

I'm wondering if this is a kernel issue more than an issue with LiveUSB creation.

Also, as others have asked, do you really need persistence for an installation media ?
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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2019, 10:58:25 am »
Yes - I can use a live ISO without the persistence to install PM9.

But I would prefer to try out PM 9 for a while before installing to make sure it suits my hardware.
I would like to know what are the real differences between PM8 (which I find good) and PM9.
It would be easier to preserve my settings - but I think I can manage without. Just easier with.

inxi- Fz

produces:

System:    Host: peppermint Kernel: 4.8.0-53-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   Mobo: Micro-Star model: MS-16J9 v: REV:1.0
           Bios: American Megatrends v: E16J9IMS.307 date: 11/07/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-7300HQ (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3500 MHz 1: 799 MHz 2: 800 MHz 3: 800 MHz
           4: 799 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel Device 591b
           Card-2: NVIDIA Device 1c8d
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1360x768@59.80hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Kabylake GT2
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Intel Device a171 driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.8.0-53-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Device 24fb driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros Device e0b1 driver: alx
           IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1136.3GB (0.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_THNSNJ12 size: 128.0GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: HGST_HTS721010A9 size: 1000.2GB
           ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: DataTraveler_2.0 size: 8.0GB
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 1.04GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram0
           ID-2: swap-2 size: 1.04GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram1
           ID-3: swap-3 size: 1.04GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram2
           ID-4: swap-4 size: 1.04GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram3
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 49.0C mobo: 27.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 223 Uptime: 22:23 Memory: 3209.5/7900.0MB
           


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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2019, 12:16:01 pm »
Yes - I can use a live ISO without the persistence to install PM9.

But I would prefer to try out PM 9 for a while before installing to make sure it suits my hardware.
I would like to know what are the real differences between PM8 (which I find good) and PM9.
It would be easier to preserve my settings - but I think I can manage without. Just easier with.

Here's what I do, when beta testing a new Peppermint release - sounds like it will satisfy your needs, too  :)

I make a live ISO without persistence, e.g. a normal installation USB stick.

Then I use the live ISO to make a full install to a second USB stick.

The nice thing about the live ISO is, I can play around to my heart's content, and everything goes back to default on the next boot.

And, the beauty of the second USB is, it's a full install - on a USB stick, instead of a SSD/HDD. This second USB stick preserves my settings, just like a normal install to a hard drive. The only difference is, it's a little slower when  booting, and opening apps.

Make sense?

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2019, 01:27:06 pm »

Here's what I do, when beta testing a new Peppermint release - sounds like it will satisfy your needs, too  :)

I make a live ISO without persistence, e.g. a normal installation USB stick.

Then I use the live ISO to make a full install to a second USB stick.

The nice thing about the live ISO is, I can play around to my heart's content, and everything goes back to default on the next boot.

And, the beauty of the second USB is, it's a full install - on a USB stick, instead of a SSD/HDD. This second USB stick preserves my settings, just like a normal install to a hard drive. The only difference is, it's a little slower when  booting, and opening apps.

Make sense?

Interesting, then just USB boot to your portable machine. This isn't my thread, but I like the idea.  8) 8)

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2019, 04:31:07 pm »
Okay the first question to answer would be  - Does a Peppermint 9 LiveUSB work if created with the "USB Image Writer" tool in Peppermint 8 ?

If not, it's probably a kernel regression issue because you're running the original spin of PM8 with the 4.8 kernel.
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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2019, 04:52:15 pm »

Here's what I do, when beta testing a new Peppermint release - sounds like it will satisfy your needs, too  :)

I make a live ISO without persistence, e.g. a normal installation USB stick.

Then I use the live ISO to make a full install to a second USB stick.

The nice thing about the live ISO is, I can play around to my heart's content, and everything goes back to default on the next boot.

And, the beauty of the second USB is, it's a full install - on a USB stick, instead of a SSD/HDD. This second USB stick preserves my settings, just like a normal install to a hard drive. The only difference is, it's a little slower when  booting, and opening apps.

Make sense?

Like all good ideas - its easy when explained. I'll  give it a try. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2019, 04:56:52 pm »
Okay the first question to answer would be  - Does a Peppermint 9 LiveUSB work if created with the "USB Image Writer" tool in Peppermint 8 ?



I will do the above experiment.

Can you say what kernel regression is and is that likely  to create a situation where it would allow PM 8 to produce a live ISO with persistence but not PM9?
Just interested.

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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2019, 06:21:55 pm »
A kernel regression is just where an issue has been introduced to a newer kernel.

 is that likely  to create a situation where it would allow PM 8 to produce a live ISO with persistence but not PM9?

That's what I'm trying to figure out .. personally i think it's likely the new kernel that's giving you the issue and not "persistence" .. so I want to know if PM9 works WITHOUT persistence?

If it doesn't it's likely the kernel

if it does work, then it's purely a persistence issue (or really a LiveUSB creator issue)

But it's pointless trying to fix persistence unless it's the ACTUAL issue.
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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 08:07:23 am »
Thanks for the explanation of Kernel regression.

On trying again I was not able to produce a live ISO of PM9 (without persistence).

This was from PM 8 and using in turn two Live USB creators. One,  the PM 8 in-built USB creator and also
using mkusb. Both hung at the  'starting up' phase.


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Re: Is there a way to update PM 8 to PM 9 from PM8?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 08:16:55 am »
Do you know how to test the Peppermint 9 LiveUSB with the nomodeset kernel boot parameter set ?
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