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Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« on: October 28, 2018, 03:13:45 am »
I see from the notes for the Ubuntu 18.10 update that they're considering dropping i386 - if you're running 32-bit 18.04, you're not offered the update to 18.10 because the support for the non-LTS versions may end before the support for 18.04 does.

What does this mean for Peppermint? I am sure I am not the only one who uses it on hardware that's not viable for 64-bit, either because the CPU doesn't support it or not having much RAM.

Will 32-bit be dropped for Peppermint 10 if Ubuntu do drop i386? Peppermint build its own 32-bit packages? Switch to being based on Debian directly? Something else?

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 03:50:02 am »
What does this mean for Peppermint? I am sure I am not the only one who uses it on hardware that's not viable for 64-bit, either because the CPU doesn't support it or not having much RAM.

Up to the Chief, but yes, I'm still running a couple of 32-bit machines (with 4.18 kernels), and I'm not worried about it.

I just looked at the Lubuntu 18.10 Dailys and the 32-bit isos are still hanging in there.

Regardless, I'm sure there will be workarounds available...

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 05:39:57 pm »
Odds are good that, when Ubuntu drops 32-bit, everything based on Ubuntu will drop it as well, including Peppermint. Peppermint is built and maintained by one man, so I doubt he's going to build and maintain his own 32-bit repositories. I also don't think he's as fond of Debian as he is Ubuntu.

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 06:02:45 pm »
AFAIK, Ubuntu have already dropped 32bit ISO's .. but there is no current plan to drop the 32bit stuff from the repos (hence why Xubuntu and Lubuntu are still able to build 32bit ISO's).

We'll continue to create a 32bit ISO "as long as possible" .. but obviously if upstream ever kills off 32bit packages in the repos, it's a goner.
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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 11:15:48 pm »
There's your answer, superian  :)

And, here's the reason I'm not worried about it.

My Peppermint 9 Ultimate Doorstop Machine (32-bit Linux 4.19 LTS Kernel - IPv6 & IPv4 connectivity - 12 sec boot)



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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2018, 02:28:06 pm »
Thanks all.

If Ubuntu do drop 32-bit, I suspect I will be off to Debian for everything with less than 4GiB of RAM.

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2018, 05:35:44 pm »
Not necessary. You can run a 64-bit distribution with less than 4GB of RAM. My laptop has 3GB and it came with Windows 7 64-bit. I replaced it with 64-bit Peppermint, of course. (I think it still has Peppermint 7 on it) I've run 64-bit Linux on way less RAM than that, too. RAM has nothing to do with your ability to run a 64-bit release, it's all about your processor. If your processor is one of those incredibly old ones without 64-bit support, then you have to run 32-bit. Anyone else can handle 64-bit.

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2018, 08:13:18 pm »
Thanks all.

No thank YOU, superian!

I didn't realize, until I looked at the pic (above), that I had overlooked upgrading the NIC in my Ultimate Doorstop.

Gotta love eBay, eh what?  ;D



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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2018, 08:46:17 pm »
That's more like it.

Aren't 32-bit Peppermint machines fun?  ;D



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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2018, 08:52:09 pm »
10.0.0.0/8 .. that's usually where I hang out :) .. but for some reason I never swapped ranges when we got the new router so still on the stock 192.168.0.0/16 .. maybe time I did :)

As 10.0.0.0/8 covers the entire range (10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255), it was always easier to remember than the other private network IP ranges
172.16.0.0/12 (172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255)
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192.168.0.0/16 (192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255)

I guess there's no good reason for one over the other .. "10" just kinda feels right though :)
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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 10:34:45 pm »
Yup, I've always used 10.0.0.0/8

It's easier to remember, easier to type, and... it's prettier  8)

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2018, 08:09:35 am »
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Primary DNS: 10.0.0.1

Does that mean you're running a DNS server on your router or does it just pass on the requests?

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2018, 08:41:36 am »
**Most** home routers do not contain a DNS (domain name server) so will not resolve LOCAL domain names (generally why static IP's and hosts files on your LAN are a thing of beauty), they act more as a DNS Proxy where they'll forward requests either to a LOCAL DNS server (if there is one) or to the WAN DNS server online.

But for this reason you **generally** set them as the DNS server for your home LAN anyway.
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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 10:22:38 am »
Thanks, that's interesting. I've never done that and I've had mixed results trying to use local domain names. Definitely static IPs solve a lot of the problems.

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Re: Future of 32-bit Ubuntu - implications for Peppermint
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 02:01:27 pm »
Thanks, that's interesting. I've never done that and I've had mixed results trying to use local domain names. Definitely static IPs solve a lot of the problems.

If one thinks my Peppermint machines are contrived, they should see my network.

Here's a screeny of the CPs for the gateway and four routers that I use on my LAN.

Whatever floats your boat, right?  ;D