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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2015, 08:17:16 pm »
Hi perknh, wow that list is a fast track into Linux hell IMHO.  An important distro was left out of list and I think it provides a much more constructive learning path.  That's good old Debian.  it's rock solid and super configurable.  It has a colossal community and it provides a far less intimidating learning path.  Arch, Gentoo and LFS are very much specialist distributions and are very good.  However, if you want to put a nOOb or, even someone with intermediate skills off Linux for life; these are the distros to do the job.

Peppermint itself is a great learning disto.  It comes as a relatively blank canvas compared to other Ubuntu based distros.  Everyone here who runs Peppermint has put their own spin on it.  That takes the ability to ask questions, learn the answers and then apply them.  No one really needs to look further than what we already have.  I'm not saying that it isn't good to look around and experiment with other distros.  I like to do that myself.  What I am saying is, there is no need to follow as gospel, the examples given in the link to learn about Linux  ;).
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2015, 11:01:37 pm »
Peppermint itself is a great learning disto.  It comes as a relatively blank canvas compared to other Ubuntu based distros.  Everyone here who runs Peppermint has put their own spin on it.  That takes the ability to ask questions, learn the answers and then apply them.  No one really needs to look further than what we already have.  I'm not saying that it isn't good to look around and experiment with other distros.  I like to do that myself.  What I am saying is, there is no need to follow as gospel, the examples given in the link to learn about Linux  ;).

I agree with every word AndyInMokum has said here.  So why did I post this?  It's because I keep hearing there are jobs to be had for those people who have skills with Linux.  So I start thinking again, "Why not learn the foundational distros?"

Personally, after listening to PCNetSpec's thoughts on security within Linux from reading AuroraMagic's thread, I'm convinced Ubuntu, and its derivatives such as Peppermint, are the safest distros to be found anywhere within Linux.  Personally, I need Skype, and I don't know where else to get it safely within Linux except through Ubuntu's Canonical Partners.  I don't know enough about compiling to pull Skype into any Linux distribution at will.  After discovering Canonical's Partners, I find that I need them!

As for Debian, one of classiest and finest distros I've ever seen is Sparky Linux.  The people managing and assisting noobs at Sparky are exemplary.  The people at Sparky Linux are genteel, kind, helpful, extraordinarily patient ... ad infinitum.  They are another group of decent human beings found within the Linux Community that aspire to the highest of Linux' ideals -- as do the members of Peppermint, I might add. (Open source, sharing, freedom, etc.) I don't have a bad word to say about anything Debian, and a comment or two below the article I posted agrees with AndyInMokum completely too.   Debian, Ubuntu, and their derivatives, make up more than 50% of all Linux distributions.  I find that fact, in and of itself, to be amazing.  In a way, we, using Peppermint, are using an alpha-plus Debian distribution ourselves.  We're on the cutting edge of Ubuntu, which is on the cutting edge of Debian -- with a few propitiatory tools thrown in.  And thank goodness for this, since this is still the world we live in.  Flawed as it is, I have to say thank you to Ubuntu for recognizing the importance of including a few proprietary add-ons or packages.

So here's what I'm hearing about Linux:  These are the things we supposedly need to know for meaningful employment concerning it's use*:

1) Software defined networking (SDN) skills.

2) Experience with or knowledge OpenStack and CloudStack.

3) Container knowledge concerning technologies concerning Docker.

4) Security with bugs such as Heatblead and FREAK.

5) Certification or formal training of SysAdmin (System Administrators) candidates.

*Source written by  Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols for ZDNet:
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 http://www.zdnet.com/article/companies-really-want-linux-savvy-employees-and-they-want-them-now/
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* http://www.zdnet.com/article/companies-really-want-linux-savvy-employees-and-they-want-them-now/


I don't have a clue what these things are, and I've been using Linux for a few years now.  But I thought this article, which would surely usher the average Linux user into a "Linux hell,"** may bring a lover of Linux closer to understanding the five concepts I just summarized above. 

** AndyInMokum's phraseology here is, again, something I happen to agree with completely.  I, personally, don't really need to go deeper than Peppermint, or Ubuntu, to get out of a disto what I want or need.  But, for employment matters, maybe going deeper within the more difficult or esoteric distos may be a means to decent job using Linux.  I don't know.    Still that's the motivation I have for sharing this article with my friends here at Peppermint.
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2015, 04:04:24 am »
Hi perknh, you are absolutely right.  When it come to being a professional Linux Systems Administrator or a Security Analyst.  You will need these skills.  If you are someone who is working with enterprise grade Linux.  The software you are mainly going to be working with will be, (Open)SUSE, Redhat, CentOS, Debian and a variety of wild and wonderful security distros.  These will be more than likely the tools that these "professionals" have learnt their "trade" on.  Not the likes of Gentoo or LFS.  These are for amateur nut jobs IMHO ;DArch I can understand being used.  If for nothing else, it will be for their superb Wiki.  For us mere mortals  :D, what we have is ideal for our everyday needs.  Saying that, one of "my things to do this year"is to learn about using Ubuntu Server and the Debian based OpenMediaVault.  What it all boils down to is this.  What do you want to get out of Linux?  The answer to this question is as diverse as the multitude of Linux distributions ;)!!
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2015, 01:31:02 pm »
Hi AndyInMokum,

What could you use an Ubuntu Server for? (I'm surprised to hear in the news that Hillary Clinton has her own personal email server.)

You're thinking that an enterprise would be most apt to use Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and CentOS.  Here, in the states, we have an Internet Service Provider that uses Ubuntu as its main server.  And I know a fellow who works for this ISP working only within Ubuntu's command line.  For his job there is no GUI.

Also, this ISP never upgrades until it is absolutely necessary to do so.  The Ubuntu version he is using is still 12.04, or Precise Pangolin.  Which version of 12.04, I do not know.

perknh

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This ISP sure must think Ubuntu is both stable and secure.  This opinion is shared by the UK's security branch* and by perknh too!  ;)

* Source: http://www.zdnet.com/article/uks-security-branch-says-ubuntu-most-secure-end-user-os/#!
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2015, 05:33:32 pm »
Hi perknh, I brought up my interest in Ubuntu Server because I have been tinkering with setting up a home network.  I was having a conversation with PCNetSpec in regards to using an old Pentium 4 computer as a NAS.  He said it I would be surprised how well it would work if I used Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS headless from the command line. PCNetSpec also reminded me that a Dual Core processor would be better if I want to use transcoding.  Emegra gave me some advice about using OpenMediaVault.  He's been using this for a long time and is very happy with it.  This alone warrants further investigation.  All this advice and info has "whet my geekbuds" so to speak  ;D. http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,1379.msg12181.html#msg12181

I'm still looking for the right machine at the right price.  The one I saw just before Christmas was gone by Jan 2.   I'm certainly looking forward setting up a home server when I do find the right machine.  You're absolutely correct.  It is a major oversight not to include Ubuntu Server in the list enterprise grade distros.  I know Debian is consider to be one of the most reliable server distros available.  Debian's strict adherence to the Open source ideology means it is community driven rather than share holder driven.  This makes it morally very attractive and also cost effective.  It also means businesses will probably need Linux service techs on their payroll.  Other enterprise grade server distros such as SUSE, Redhat, Ubuntu Server etc, offer professional service support packages.  This makes them very convenient in many business situations.  All this makes my needs seem very meagre.  I will find the right machine get it set up in a suitable RAID configuration and learn enough about server administration to keep me occupied and out of trouble.  There is just so much really interesting stuff to learn and do with Linux  :)!

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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2015, 07:33:53 pm »
There is just so much really interesting stuff to learn and do with Linux  :)!

AndyInMokum, I'm so impressed that I don't know where to begin.  You're really leaning Linux -- from DEs, servers, encryption, secure shells, and command line interfaces.  AndyInMokum, you're leaning the whole kit and caboodle of Linux.  If it hasn't already done so, I wouldn't be surprised if one day you convince the city of Amsterdam to go completely open source -- beginning, of course, with Linux. (I can't tell from what I've read if Amsterdam has gone open source or not, but open source would seem to fit in with the philosophy of the country.)

AndyInMokum, if I were a citizen of the Netherlands, and a resident of Amsterdam, I'd vote for you for mayor!  ;)
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2015, 08:06:25 pm »
Hi perknh, you are again absolutely correct.  Linux is an ideal fit for The Netherlands from a philosophical standpoint.  Getting them to implement it is another story though.   Strangely enough, it is our noisy neighbours to the east of us that have embraced Linux on a municipal level.  More power to them too, "Deutschland über alles"  ;)!!   I don't know about mayor - yet  ;D.  Saying that, we do have local elections in a few days  :D!!
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2015, 09:42:54 pm »
+1 for Mayor Andy :)
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2015, 11:02:13 pm »
We need AndyInMokum T-shirts.  We need AndyInMokum coffee mugs.  We need to make this guy mayor!  :)
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2015, 03:10:51 pm »
Where do we cast our vote at?    :-\
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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2015, 05:13:35 pm »

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Re: "If You Want To Learn Linux Install, Slackware."
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2015, 08:44:58 am »
what is the latest vote tally who is winning the race so far?
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