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I just bought a second hand HP ZBook 15 G2 - 32 GB ram with Windows 10 prof. After installing Peppermint 9 nothing works anymore. Doesn't boot at all, cannot repair windows and even Grub 2 cannot find any sytem on the Harddisk anymore. So i had to change the SSD HD and buy a new Windows prof. as I cannot find out anymore what the key was.

I need windows just once in a while for some specialised programs and work 95% of the time with Peppermint. So in order to not create the same poblems again, I wonder what happened and how I can install Peppermint aside Windows properly.

Thank you for any help!
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« Last Edit: October 01, 2018, 03:38:54 am by jozefmw »

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Did you remember to boot the installation media in UEFI mode? I forgot to do that once during beta testing and my system wouldn't boot. I reinstalled with it in UEFI mode and all was right in the world again.

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Thank you for your quick answer. I didn't install in UEFI-mode and dont't know how to do it ...
Can you give me a hint?

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I don't know how your computer is, but mine had various boot options, including booting from the USB stick and booting from the USB stick in UEFI mode. Doing the second one is what made the difference.

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thank you. I
I will have a look at that.

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I had a look in divers Forums, most giving older and complicated instructions to get Linux aside windows 8. I guess I will remain a New User for the rest of my life (77 years young) ...
So I wonder weather I can install Peppermint on an external USB SSD or stick, being able to write my data on an second external drive. I guess running Peppermint as virtual machine alongside windows 10 prof. could make it slow or other hardware would't work as printers etc.? I really  don't see me working constantly on a windows machine ...
My boot options: OS Bootmanger - Boot from EFI File - Boot from Upgrade Bay (DVD drive) - Boot from USB Hard Drtive (reads USB SSD and sticks) - Boot from Notebook Ethernet.
Many thanks in advance for any help.

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Sure, you can install Peppermint on an external drive.

Or you could get a caddy for your optical bay.


BTW you should not have needed to buy another Win10 licence, the BIOS should have held the key if Win10 was an OEM installation.
(and if it was an upgrade it'll have used the generic key)
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I had a look in divers Forums, most giving older and complicated instructions to get Linux aside windows 8. I guess I will remain a New User for the rest of my life (77 years young) ...
So I wonder weather I can install Peppermint on an external USB SSD or stick, being able to write my data on an second external drive. I guess running Peppermint as virtual machine alongside windows 10 prof. could make it slow or other hardware would't work as printers etc.? I really  don't see me working constantly on a windows machine ...
My boot options: OS Bootmanger - Boot from EFI File - Boot from Upgrade Bay (DVD drive) - Boot from USB Hard Drtive (reads USB SSD and sticks) - Boot from Notebook Ethernet.
Many thanks in advance for any help.


Hi jozefmw, so what happens when you boot from the different options, ie. the OS Bootmanager and USB Hard Drive?
What was I thinking?

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Thank you for all your answers.

In the mean time, for solving another problem I got from HP a new Windows 10 installation DVD, especially for HP computers. After installing Windows from that disk, it gave me a new set of boot options. Among them: boot from Note Book Upgrade bay (UEFI). Here even the external USB Hard Drive on which I could install Peppermint, is mentioned.

So my question now is: when I boot Peppermint from the Note Book Upgrade Bay (UEFI), containing the Peppermint installation DVD, can I, without any problem, install Peppermint on the external SSD which gets a bootloader for Peppermint and doen't interfere with the windows bootloader on the internal HD?

And second: can I now even install Peppermint aside Windowson the internal SSD without messing up the bootloader again?

Thank you for any reaction !


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Installation in UEFI mode will) by default install grub to the first efi system partition it finds in drive search order. If you install to sdb and tell the installer to use sdb for grub, but it finds the efi on sda, it WILL add grub to that efi, not the sdb efi. It is a "feature" of UEFI install by design.

So it will install to the win bootloader partition, but it will work fine, when the external drive is hooked up to the USB port.

It will do the same with an installation to the internal SSD.

I have seen issues related to the fast boot option needing to be turned off in windows and the UEFI, along with turning off secure boot in UEFI.

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If Windows is installed in UEFI mode, then the Peppermint bootloader shouldn't interfere.

UEFI works in a different way to Legacy BIOS, there is no master boot record that EITHER contains GRUB or the Windows bootloader .. instead there is a special partition that can contain multiple bootloaders.

But first you need to know if Windows is installed in UEFI mode .. are you able to boot a Peppermint LiveUSB and choose "Try Peppermint" ?

If so, post the output from:
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efibootmgr -v
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77, awesome.  How can anyone say it's too hard to learn Linux.  Although, after being on peppermint for 3 years my father-in-law, 76, still doesn't understand not to try and install exe files but can use an iPad.

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How can anyone say it's too hard to learn Linux.

Lack of real desire to try. Some people "try" Linux for 5 minutes but don't really try to learn anything. Instead, they forever after tout how they tried Linux and it wasn't any good.

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Sure, you can install Peppermint on an external drive.

Or you could get a caddy for your optical bay.


BTW you should not have needed to buy another Win10 licence, the BIOS should have held the key if Win10 was an OEM installation.
(and if it was an upgrade it'll have used the generic key)

I've done this to my HP machines.  The optical drives were a waste of space.  This modification is so easy.  It adds a whole bunch of possibilities to your machines.  The HP I'm using now, has a 2.5" 1TB Seagate FireCuda SSHD as the second drive.  It's a hybrid drive, if you didn't already know.  It has similar speed of an SSD, with the big storage capacity of a HDD.  They're about the same price as a regular HDD, if you shop around  ;).  If you're thinking of installing Peppermint 9 on a second disk.  I highly recommend a 2.5" 1TB Seagate FireCuda SSHD in an optical drive bay caddy.  It's a great option  ;).
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Thank you so much for all your reactions.
It really feels like being a member of a family ...

Thanks for mentioning the drive bay caddy. I will certainly get one and have a look at the proposed hybrid FireCuda hard disk.

To PCNetSpec: As an attachment I wanted to join the outcome of the terminal, but don't remember how to do it ...