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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2018, 10:37:40 am »
So you've changed to a GPT partition table. and then installed Windows .. which both went fine.

But now your system won't recognise a LiveUSB stick ?

That (to me) makes no sense .. the HDD/SSD hasn't even  been initialised when you choose the boot device, so it must be the UEFI BIOS is being skipped as part of the boot sequence.

Have you tried disabling Windows "Fast Startup" which seems to allow it to skip half the UEFI sequence on some sysstems .. making it impossible to access the UEFI BIOS (or boot anything else)

You can find instructions to disable Windows "Fast Startup" on the web, here's one I found earlier:-
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Go to 'Control Panel -> 'Power Options' -> from the left hand column select 'What the Power Buttons Do' -> at the top of the page select 'Change Settings that are currently unavailable' -> scroll all of the way to the bottom and uncheck 'Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)'. Then click 'Save Changes'.


Point of clarification PCNetSpec…. I had Win10 installed, but in MBR provisioning mode. Then my brain's fog cleared and I remembered the 4 partition rule doesn't just apply to the /nvme ssd, but to the other two platter hard drives in the machine as well. So it makes more sense to move along to GPT provisioning yes? So I wiped the MBR installation of Win10. I am now trying to get the ASRock motherboard to recognize the GPT version of the Win10 LiveUSB. Which I remembered to create on another Win10 machine w/ Rufus.

After wiping the/nvme0n drive and setting it to be a GPT drive I rebooted, got into the bios. I scoured it's multitudinous pages for all references to legacy boot and reset them. Rebooted again and landed either on a Grub Error screen, or a No Drive screen.  While I am now attempting to resolve a Win10 issue and not a peppermintOS one I'm happy to leave y'all alone for now. Even as the point of getting GPT working is to have all the Linux partitions I can muster.

I am pondering just installing Win10 in a small 30gb NTFS partition, then reformatting it's data partition to GPT, afterwards expanding that to the rest of the nvme ssd's space  to devote to my Linux partitions, that idea just came to me. Still working on first cup of bulletproof coffee, so not quite ready to dive in anyhoo…




 
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2018, 02:12:13 pm »
Win10 is currently installing was actually pretending to install in GPT mode... on the Antec as I type here... seems the sticking point was using linux to format the nvme ssd drive instead of allowing the Win10 LiveUSB to do so... keeping fingers crossed...
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions...
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2018, 02:41:33 pm »
Note to Self:   :(   guess I typed too soon and jinxed it... returned to the desktop to see:

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Reboot and Select proper Boot device 
or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device.


I inserted the Win10 USB in every single usb slot and got the same result each time... curious that it started up... and now will not start again...
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions...
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2018, 03:41:33 pm »
 8)  Yippee... well at least  I'm running Win10 on the Antec desktop… now to see what system is installed... be back later... or maybe it's time for a few beers... 
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... [SOLVED]
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2018, 04:33:42 pm »
... or maybe it's time for a few beers...

 :D :D It's always time for a few beers! But, only if they are dark ones!  :D

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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions...
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2018, 04:37:42 pm »
... or maybe it's time for a few beers...

 :D :D It's always time for a few beers! But, only if they are dark ones!  :D

Thanks pin ... Negra Modelo it is then...

'specially since this install was once again MBR instead of GPT...  just deleted it...
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2018, 02:52:17 pm »
So... I'm sorta pulling back and reviewing today, taking the weekend off from any further intense focus on the Antec desktop. Really just compiling some thoughts here with no real need for help at all. Perhaps this thread will help someone also new to GPT in the future. It's always good to learn new things right? Keep our brains in gear as we get older... ??

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Wandering around the web searching with gpt, partition, nvme and asrock yesterday, uncovers a daunting jumble of counterproductive flotsam and jetsom. Along with a few hints and a pile of pure crapola. My brain fog needs time to clear each morning, bulletproof coffee required, even if I need to half the amount of butter & coconut oil to reverse this spring's weight gain.  Reviewing my prior commentary. I may either have cleared up my own problem... or revealed another...

The Antec currently carries three hard drives... an NVMe and two mechanical SATAs. So right off the bat if all are plugged in, it starts with three partitions. 7 of yesterday's 8 installations were performed with the SATA drives disconnected. For I suspected their presence was causing the motherboard to default to MBR partitioning. Be that as it may, all 8 attempts to install as GPT resulted in MBR instead. Memories from my late 80's and early 90's installations of WinFWG 3.11 remind me of being able to direct MS's old three partition scheme to whichever of my two or three drives I preferred. Yes, I was always partitioning to have a separate data/home partition to protect against the loss of data from winCorruption. Win10 does not allow me to select where it's 4 MBR partitions go...  & I've not yet recollected how to make the data partition conversion to Extended... it's coming to me .... patience will reveal it once again.... for I did it not too very long ago on this Toshiba lappie...

Antec is currently a blank slate, as I want to sleuth the original question this thread asks.  "Why are Extended and Logical partition selections "greyed out" even when the software is only faced with a blank/empty NVMe drive? My last install of yesterday evening followed the instructions to a T... only one NVMe drive attached... UEFI USB selected .... Legacy Boot disabled... still ended up with MBR... I'll get to the bottom of this eventually... I suspect some "residual MBR memory" is stored somewhere that i need to clear.

Again... I'm merely posting for my own clarity and elucidation... y'all carry on with whatever your weekend festivities hold...  8)

I'm in an Art of Allowing mode and pondering this...  ;)

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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2018, 07:12:52 pm »
Yes... I know  I said I was off for the weekend, but our lunchtime plans with our friends fell thru and moved to tonight... why not plug the Antec back in eh?   

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peppermint@peppermint ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: peppermint Kernel: 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: ASRock model: H270M Pro4 serial: N/A
           UEFI: American Megatrends v: P2.50 date: 03/16/2018
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-7700 (-MT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 800 MHz 2: 800 MHz 3: 800 MHz 4: 812 MHz
           5: 870 MHz 6: 812 MHz 7: 802 MHz 8: 804 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel HD Graphics 630
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 )
           drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 630 (Kaby Lake GT2)
           version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
Audio:     Card Intel 200 Series PCH HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.15.0-20-generic
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 252.1GB (6.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: Samsung_SSD_960_EVO_250GB size: 250.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdc model: USB_Flash_Drive size: 2.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 16G used: 70M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram0
           ID-3: swap-2 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram1
           ID-4: swap-3 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram2
           ID-5: swap-4 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram3
           ID-6: swap-5 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram4
           ID-7: swap-6 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram5
           ID-8: swap-7 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram6
           ID-9: swap-8 size: 2.09GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/zram7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 33.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 234 Uptime: 8 min Memory: 824.1/31872.9MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.56

I notice nothing above mentions that I now have a GPT installation...  but I am feeling happy at the moment

Now to install some linux and get this party re-started


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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2018, 08:16:42 pm »
 :)  One more reboot before Linux installation begins... and both the mechanical SATA drives also appear...  yippee..

This edit arrives from a fresh new install of the latest respin on the Antec desktop. I sliced the Win10 install to 60 GB... left 50 mb unformatted at the end of the NVMe drive... with lots of free space for installing whatever else I desire. Both mechanical drives now show up as available storage in NTFS format... I went ahead and set the newest drive as GPT... and will convert the oldest another day.

Maybe I'm no longer a grasshopper after all...   
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT [SOLVED]
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2018, 09:35:01 pm »
Congratulations  :D  :D  :D

It's very satisfying when it all comes together

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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT [SOLVED]
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2018, 10:31:50 pm »
Congratulations  :D  :D  :D

It's very satisfying when it all comes together

Thanks for pushing me to learn something new zebedeeboss... this is brilliant...
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT [SOLVED]
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2018, 02:09:36 am »
Congratulations  :D  :D  :D

It's very satisfying when it all comes together

Thanks for pushing me to learn something new zebedeeboss... this is brilliant...

It took me ages to move to GPT - I won't use anything else now.  Like UEFI.  Both brilliant.

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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT [SOLVED]
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2018, 06:04:44 pm »
Agreed GPT and UEFI are a MASSIVE leap forward (pity the same can't be said for Secureboot, which is still a useless pile of poo).

I just wish hardware manufacturers didn't all implement UEFI differently.
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT [SOLVED]
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2018, 09:05:40 pm »
 ::)

Reviewing this thread confirms I don't wanna bother dual booting w/microsloth on this little 32 GB notebook. I don't need winblows in my daily life. MS' minimal install takes up too much space; besides I have access to it via other machines If I ever need it. GPT, however, will allow me to play with other linux distros on this nifty little machine if i want though. How cool izzat? It hiccups a bit with some of the music videos; but i have other machines and players for that.

I am just doing a pondering/post here as I decide whether to keep or return this eepc sized mini laptop/pc...
 
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Re: Extended, Logical & Primary partitions... vs GPT [SOLVED]
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2018, 02:04:35 am »
It took me ages to move to GPT - I won't use anything else now.  Like UEFI.  Both brilliant.

Agreed.

I always use (at least) GPT, and UEFI/SecureBoot (if the BIOS supports it).

I installed a Sammy 860 EVO in my 2009 32bit Eee PC a couple of days ago.

GPT FTW  ;D