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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2018, 10:18:27 pm »
I'm 97% Linux here and largely 99% of that time in peppermintOS. If not for the occasional need to triage my Mom's new Win10 laptop I would have wiped Win10 off this old 2011 era lappie. meanwhile my hubster is 100% Win10 and sticking with it due to his Quicken obsession and his trading software.

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2018, 06:44:43 am »
I used to have Microsoft Flight Sim, but I moved over to FlightGear some years ago.

Everything office and web based, I do on Linux...not through some belligerent cultism, but because Linux is better - I can have full control of the environment, and services, networking or the number of users is not licence limited and artificially crippled to differentiate products, and the environment itself is generally more flexible and resource efficient....and it doesn't fall out of support and maintenance with the requirement to have a charged upgrade -  you can maintain and upgrade the environment appropriate to your application over reasonable timescales without licensing costs, putting you in control, not the vendor (run your business for you, not microsoft et al).

In addition it is a skill set that transfers to more devices and applications. Work your way around linux and you can program switches and routers (openwrt/LEDE et al), you can use the same principles and networking through the desktop, into the applications stack, and software as a service (kvm/qemu, lxc/docker), and at the large infrastructure level  (openstack, ovirt, kubernetes, ceph).

I have desktops, cloud applications and storage, and servers, all running exclusively on linux. Unfortunately I have to keep a version of windows around for some commercial tools that are only sold on the windows platform (industrial automation and programming tools like ETS for the KNX protocol, down to some mobile phone unlock tools provided by phone manufacturers).  It's an inconvenience and not of my choosing.

I can understand businesses choosing to purchase tools available to them, where they lack the time or expertise to find or support the alternatives.....but windows is essentially a monetised environment to allow a charging layer based on a platform which you  (as the user) do not control.  That seems to me to be a sub-optimal choice where an alternative exists. Luckily the alternative is more flexible, and cheaper (in terms of resource utilisation versus functionality). I'm a control freak.  It's no surprise which I prefer.

I can't put an authoritative number on it, and it depends on where you stand on android as linux platform - as I do use a number of android devices (like my phone) and I use them regularly for monitoring and testing (one of the advantage of a linux application backend is that they often integrate lovely with a simple browser platform). If we set aside mobile use, it's in excess of 95%.
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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2018, 07:03:44 am »
Well said tetricky, I can't put my finger on precisely why, but I enjoyed reading that :)
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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2018, 07:36:20 am »
Perhaps it's because by my metrics, peppermintos scores very favourably?

It's a really good example of the power offered by linux.  It's extremely resource efficient, it looks good and has the tools necessary to maintain and utilise a wide range of multi-purpose os roles. It also has a lovely tool for integrating cloud apps. It's also built on a highly documented and meticulously maintained platform. It's perfectly capable of being a docker or virtualisation platform, down to being an excellent choice for a low resource or old equipment....while being modern and quick.

My laptop boots into peppermint in around 15s. What that means is that if I need to carry my laptop somewhere into a cupboard to monitor or program a switch or piece of networking equipment the os can b booted from off in around the time it takes me to connect the cables, and it has a full set of tools and communications ability·

Just a really nice tool for the job. Peppermint is the os I'm putting on windows users machines to lure them from the dark to the light.

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2018, 07:48:57 am »
No, I think it was simply a well written posting with a good take on what makes Linux so great.

Though I like your last posting just as much .. erm, but this time the reasons are probably more vanity inspired, you're going to have to stop that though, I do have doorways to fit my head through :))
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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2018, 07:53:19 am »
I'm no flight sim guru, but I dabbled in Flight Simulator 98 and 2000 back in the day. Great for their time, though I haven't tried any of the versions newer than 2000. Flight Gear has definitely scratched "that itch" for me, but for someone who is heavier into flight sims, it may not do the trick. Then there's also XPlane  another professional endeavor. I've been meaning to try XPlane 11, which is Linux compatible and is available on Steam.

Though, often simply substituting one program for another similar program isn't enough for some people. Often, the reason a person prefers one program over others has to do with just liking the exact features of that specific program and no other program works for that person. I went totally Linux for a couple years, but one program that I use for CGI simply has no equal in my eye, and that's Lightwave 3D. Sure, there's Blender, which is a great open source program, but certain features of it just don't work the way I want them to. They do in Lightwave. But, I've come to terms with the fact that I'm going to be a Windows user for the foreseeable future. It's really not that bad. I expected to hate Windows 10, but I actually like it better than Windows 7, which I never liked as well as XP or 98SE. And, I run Peppermint too. I'm quite happy with the setup I have now as there's literally nothing I need to do that I can't do on my computer.

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2018, 08:27:12 am »
Yep, nobody says it has to be one or the other for everyone.

I prefer Linux for many reasons, some political, some about familiarity, some security/privacy, but mainly (as tetricky suggests) because I'm in control and can bend it to my will in ways you simply can't in Windows.

I'm not a gamer, nor do I need specialist CGI software or say Photoshop, or <insert any other Windows only software> that I haven't either found a Linux alternative for or decided I cannot do without .. I'm not hoping that Linux rules the desktop (I do think it eventually will as Microsoft withdraws from the PC OS dev market, but I'm not bothered one way or the other) .. For MY use case Linux suits ME better .. THAT is why I use it, but I'm fully aware those reasons won't apply to everyone which is precisely why I stopped evangelising years ago. I'll still make comparisons and talk about things I hate about Windows, but it's no longer in an attempt to talk anyone into switching. Use whatever suits your specific requirements, not what someone else tells you fits theirs.
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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2018, 09:07:54 am »
Interesting note on the gaming thing, I've had some games that have ran better in Linux than in Windows. That's a fact, but you can't tell Windows only gamers that stuff. Though, the reverse is true too. I've played a few games that were Linux compatible but simply ran better in Windows on the same computer. Though, it most cases there's no difference. Though, if you want more compatibility, than it's Windows, unfortunately. Though, really, that's not the fault of anybody on the Linux side, or even Microsoft. That's all the game developers. The ones I really hate are the ones who promise a Linux release (and even Mac OSX) but they never deliver. The game just lives on Windows. When they do that, they usually either dodge questions about it or come up with lame reasons like not having enough Linux rigs on which to test it. Hell, if that was the case and you knew that from the beginning, why promise a Linux version at all? ::)

Ugh, anyway, went a bit off topic there. Yes, indeed, there's no reason to choose one or the other. I don't want to run only Windows anymore than I want to run only Linux. I like both.

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2018, 04:51:35 pm »
Don't get me wrong guys I like Linux however Flight Gear doesn't compare.  :(

Frame-rates and graphics in Linux when it comes to graphics rendering for X-Plane don't even come close and never will.  :(

I have X-Plane that runs Windows and Linux.  8)

X-Plane for Linux ain't worth the hassle to install and then to have to set up every little detail when in Windows OS X-Plane installs and runs OOTB.

I have no desire to install X-Plane Flight Simulator the PITA way only to find it only half way works if at all.  >:(  :(

Nah when it comes to Flight Simulators there is no better than Windows XP and Windows 7.  :)  :D  ;D  8)

I have no idea about other gaming on Windows or Linux as I only run Flight Simulator X and X-Plane???  :-\

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2018, 06:56:54 pm »
Gaming on Linux usually works pretty smoothly, provided you're running Nvidia graphics. AMD may have been good back when they had proprietary graphics support, but now they don't. Without it, you can't get anything with 3D graphics to work. Intel graphics have the same issue, though Intel graphics are mainly a bad joke in the gaming community anyway.

Flight simulators are definitely one of those things you want working just right. I did the Flight Gear thing for a while, but I found it a bit of a pain on Linux. I don't know if they've changed this, but a few years ago you had to launch the program with a terminal command. If memory serves, you even had to include the plane you wanted to fly and starting airport. This is as opposed to the Windows version, which has a nice little window for doing all of this. While the terminal commands weren't hard or anything, I just found it a bit of a pill to have to do this. Also, I found the graphics, especially the scenery, weren't that great. However, those are minor annoyances to me. Considering that it's an open source project that aims to make a complete flight simulator for free, I think they've done an amazing job with it. But, that still doesn't mean it's going to fit everyone's taste. Like I said, I'm only so-so on flight sims anyway. I prefer fighter games where you shoot stuff down. :)

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2018, 09:20:34 pm »
If I never had  used Flight Simulator X or X-Plane I'm sure Flight Gear would be fine.
Once you've done Flight Simulator X or X-Plane nothing else compares or comes close.
My graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 X2 so yeah it ain't gonna be that good on Linux and it's just old  from the days of Windows XP.

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2018, 09:38:12 pm »
I did the Flight Gear thing for a while, but I found it a bit of a pain on Linux. I don't know if they've changed this, but a few years ago you had to launch the program with a terminal command. If memory serves, you even had to include the plane you wanted to fly and starting airport. This is as opposed to the Windows version, which has a nice little window for doing all of this.

looking at the contents of the .deb file, it does now appear to have a launcher at
/usr/share/applications/org.flightgear.FlightGear.desktop
that runs
fgfs --launcher
so I'm guessing it's moved on a bit since you last tried it scifidude79 :)
(never tried it myself though)

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2018, 06:31:42 am »
If I never had  used Flight Simulator X or X-Plane I'm sure Flight Gear would be fine.
Once you've done Flight Simulator X or X-Plane nothing else compares or comes close.
My graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 X2 so yeah it ain't gonna be that good on Linux and it's just old  from the days of Windows XP.

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I've used flight sim X, and I'm perfectly happy with flightgear... So my criteria are different to yours, obviously. One of them being I can fly a gyro on flightgear. I value the open system and community over a closed monetized system. Flightgear may not be perfect but people are constantly building on what's there.

My criteria are different. My experience doesn't match yours. Which is fine, you are entitled to your view... But to say that you can't compare, and then to go on to compare from a biased perspective, I find unsatisfactory.

There isn't a perfect flight sim. The flight engine and capability is right there for flightgear... Although perhaps you might have to be selective about which aircraft you use and where you fly if you want a certain type of cosmetic experience. Because it is open and user generated some models are poor... Some are exceptional. My personal experience is that flightgear uses the capability of my setup better than flight sim x (which is essentially a single threaded, ten year old process).

Anyway. I understand if you prefer something different, and you consider it inappropriate for your purposes, but I'd just like to say again. Gyroplane.
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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2018, 01:20:15 pm »
If I never had  used Flight Simulator X or X-Plane I'm sure Flight Gear would be fine.
Once you've done Flight Simulator X or X-Plane nothing else compares or comes close.
My graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 X2 so yeah it ain't gonna be that good on Linux and it's just old  from the days of Windows XP.

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImage/14-102-723-03.jpg

I've used flight sim X, and I'm perfectly happy with flightgear... So my criteria are different to yours, obviously. One of them being I can fly a gyro on flightgear. I value the open system and community over a closed monetized system. Flightgear may not be perfect but people are constantly building on what's there.

My criteria are different. My experience doesn't match yours. Which is fine, you are entitled to your view... But to say that you can't compare, and then to go on to compare from a biased perspective, I find unsatisfactory.

There isn't a perfect flight sim. The flight engine and capability is right there for flightgear... Although perhaps you might have to be selective about which aircraft you use and where you fly if you want a certain type of cosmetic experience. Because it is open and user generated some models are poor... Some are exceptional. My personal experience is that flightgear uses the capability of my setup better than flight sim x (which is essentially a single threaded, ten year old process).

Anyway. I understand if you prefer something different, and you consider it inappropriate for your purposes, but I'd just like to say again. Gyroplane.

You don't handle criticism well and not everyone can be as perfect as you seem to think you are and by no means are either of us an authority.

Lighten up and relax and perhaps have a drink it's only an opinion on a forum and we all know options on forums are only as good as the interpretation.

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Re: What is your % of Linux?
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2018, 02:27:17 pm »
....You don't handle criticism well and not everyone can be as perfect as you seem to think you are and by no means are either of us an authority...

Unnecessary personally directed comment that I don't understand the need for.

Frame-rates and graphics in Linux when it comes to graphics rendering for X-Plane don't even come close and never will.  :(

If only there was some factor that could be identified as your specific problem, or a specific circumstance that needed to be met in order to satisfy your unique set of criteria?

My graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 X2 so yeah it ain't gonna be that good on Linux and it's just old  from the days of Windows XP.

Ah.

Lighten up and relax and perhaps have a drink it's only an opinion on a forum and we all know options on forums are only as good as the interpretation.

True.

Excuse me if I don't subscribe to your lifestyle advice.  I shall in future avoid offering an opinion for you to consider, given your preference not to have one extended.


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