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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2018, 12:57:21 pm »


Or maybe I need a new tin hat ?

There's an app for that
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2018, 12:58:10 pm »
LOL :)

A Linux native one ?
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2018, 01:08:08 pm »
LOL :)

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Definitely not.
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2018, 01:21:33 pm »
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2018, 04:58:59 pm »
I would be a happy man if I would know every detail of a world beater company. But I do not. I do believe that Google´s features optimize the performance of this - indeed - great product. I think it is a strong, good sign that thousands of users do care what happens with their datas. On the other hand I have nothing to hide. If anyone has the time and energy to take control of every single piece of my boring life - good luck!
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2018, 05:37:58 pm »
On the other hand I have nothing to hide.

Oh yes you do, we've all done and said things we'd rather weren't in the public domain ;) .. historically public figures and 'stars' were paid rather handsomely to have their privacy laid bare (it was rarely for any inherent 'value' in their work), yet ours is effectively being stolen and sold.

Where does it end....

With Amazon/Goolge able to sell for public entertainment whatever Alexa hears and your webcam see's ?

Keep an eye on the ever changing EULA .. if you think you own the rights to that functionality and the data that goes into it, let me tell you a story...

A couple of weeks ago my Smart TV received an update that informed me LG were changing some policy about who they could share my personal details with, a message appeared on my TV stating THE SMART FUNCTIONS OF MY TV WERE DISABLED UNTIL I TICKED THE BOX AGREEING TO THIS :o
(so even though I thought I'd paid for a "smart" TV, I obviously don't own that functionality, and can be held to ransom with it)

Now I don't own a "Google Assistant", but if I did I'd be pretty sure it could have heard some stuff I'd rather my mom not hear :)

Currently that sounds rather amusing right? .. yet the LG Smart TV incident just goes to show that legal precedent is towards a gradual erosion of your privacy not the strengthening of it, and that corporations aren't above extortion where the law allows it .. so it might not remain so funny in the future.
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2018, 06:52:39 pm »
You may think you've got nothing to hide, but you most certainly have information you don't want a stranger to have (pictures of your family, personal appointments,  etc.). Yet,  we provide all of this to Google. They can even identify your pets in your pictures,  places you've been to,  and that's just the basics.

PCNetSpec, try reading the EULA for most cloud services. After uploading a file,  does it still belongs only to you?

We are most certainly heading for a future where privacy will exist only in history books. Even if you manage to live 100% offline.
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2018, 03:58:51 am »
Please get me right, of course I am annoyed about someone trying to use any personal informations without my permission. But what is within my possibilities to be controlled? Every week we read about ministries with the most skilled IT experts and the latest and greatest technologies being hacked. Therefore I am very pessimistic that my Linux system, my "uncomplicated firewall" (!), my router and some more programs will make my system 100% secure. I feel always a little bit amused when some friends of mine tell me long stories about their nights full of work to configure mountains of software, believing it would create anonymity in the world wide web.

Next problem, reading every single word of these endless license agreements (obviously written with intent to make it endless and unreadable) is time theft.

Long story short, my home is my castle and all private things happen within my rooms. I try to use my computer reasonably. I hope that the public is putting companies like Google under pressure to enhance privacy, and I would like to use the cloud.

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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2018, 05:37:12 am »
Don't forget your credit card! Google also knows where you have been using it

Sometimes they get it wrong though !

Once I went to a car wash and Google asked me to review the church across the street... now, imagine it was a porno club instead of a church across that street and that someone else would have read google's message before me
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2018, 07:39:09 am »
I agree with you esjay, you shouldn't think Linux or any other software is going to make you impervious IT WON'T, specially considering they're now putting backdoors in the hardware itself.

Linux may make things a bit harder as far as security breach is concerned, but it might also make you a more interesting target .. but I'm not talking about computer security, I'm talking about privacy and the laws surrounding EULA's and data gathering/retention/sharing/sale .. they are two totally separate things.

What we need is a societal sea/seed change in the way personal data/information is viewed .. it's not enough to tell corporations they should "protect it" (then fine them less that they sell it for), they shouldn't be gathering it AT ALL. I'd love to know why my LG TV needs to know my personal details in the first place, and where they ARE necessary for functionality(and freely entered)  they SHOULD NOT be able to pass/sell them to third parties.
(and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be allowed to cripple the functionality of my TV unless I allow them post-sale to do this)

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And here comes the Facebook revelations.....
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2018, 09:29:34 am »
I agree that there is no obvious reason why a customer can not use his own Smart TV until he ticked a box agreeing to a new use of personal data. You have had no choice. This might touch the legal grey area of coercion (but I am sure the company has checked it, so I would not beg my money on it).

The development is frustrating. Is there a chance for the average Joe to proceed against big seller companies, for instance to stop asking the owner of a Smart TV annnoying questions about the usage of his datas? No.  And even if someone proceeds successfully: how to control the ongoing?

I can clearly see a huge interest in making our life as "digital" as possible. Abolishment of hard cash? Excellent to inspect what and where the average Joe is paying for, and so on.


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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2018, 09:32:21 am »
I've heard people say many times "I Don't care if Facebook is spying on me or Google is spying on me or Microsoft is spying on me I've got nothing to hide" we all have something to hide even if we don't know it ie in Holland before WW2 people listed their religion on census records and why shouldn't they but they weren't to know at the time that the Nazis would use these records to identify Jews and round them up.

It's all well and good having nothing to hide but that's no reason not to protect your privacy, saying you don't care about your privacy because "I have nothing to hide" is the same as saying "I don't care about free speech because I've got nothing to say"

The really sad thing is that our children and grand-children are going to grow up in a world where they have no privacy because we sold it for a few shiney trinkets and a bit of PHP


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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2018, 09:41:35 am »
I agree wholeheartedly with you Graeme, except I'm not sure 'we're' actually selling our privacy, as much as the law is allowing it to be stolen/extorted by others with a profit motive.

We find ourselves on a slope that's being greased by corporate greed, and governments that fly in the face of overwhelming evidence and favour corporate self regulation (a laughable concept if ever I heard one) over the welfare of the people they're supposed to serve and protect.

Nothing new here then....
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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2018, 11:28:44 am »
It's all well and good having nothing to hide but that's no reason not to protect your privacy, saying you don't care about your privacy because "I have nothing to hide" is the same as saying "I don't care about free speech because I've got nothing to say"
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Absolute hogwash and I really wish people would stop lumping the two statements together.  They are poles apart.

Just because I am not concerned with the information that is being captured about me is totally irrelevant to having the ability to speak openly about things.  Whether I want to say something or not.  Just because I have nothing to say DOES NOT mean I don't care about free speech.

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Re: Google's Steely Tentacles.
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2018, 11:33:51 am »
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Just because I have nothing to say DOES NOT mean I don't care about free speech.

You clearly didn't read what I said Zeb or you've completely misunderstood it




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