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how long is pepermint 8 supported
« on: October 22, 2017, 05:38:14 am »
i should have asked this before but better late then never...how long is peppermint 8 supported for etc. and which kernel is LTS or are they rolling releases? presently using 4.11.0-14 on my test system and 4.10.0-37 on the other 14 systems for the students and a youth organization that 3 of the 14 computers are at and that i help them maintain...thanks...DAMIEN
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2017, 07:33:15 am »
Peppermint 8 is based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, end of life support April 2021.
As for the kernel have a look at, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack

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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2017, 08:15:37 am »
The Peppermint 8 kernel series is currently at version 4.10 (via the HWE), this kernel is still fully supported upstream with security patches so is NOT "end of life (like the vanilla kernel) .. the 4.10 kernel will remain fully supported until the HWE rolls to the 4.13 kernel, at which point Peppermint 8 will automagically update to the 4.13 kernel.

Then the cycle starts again, the 4.13 kernel will remain fully supported until the HWE rolls to the next kernel, at which point Peppermint 8 will automagically update you to that kernel.

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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack

So as pin suggests, Peppermint 8 is a full LTS with 5 years support, and has a rolling kernel.
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2017, 08:17:21 am »
have not a clue if i read it right but what i think i read basically means 4.4 series is LTR to april 2021 to coincide with ubuntu 16.04 LTR of the same date...every other series is short term with frequent rolling type update/replacement, and since i didnt notice 4.8 series (maybe i overlooked it?) would lead me to conclude it is no longer supported? please feel free to correct my understanding here if im right, wrong or otherwise...thanks guys...DAMIEN

modified just now ...this was in reply to pin after reading about ubuntu kernel in link he provided...still would like to know about the 4.4 series and if i should revert the other computers or just stay at 4.10 series...also am i correct without mention of 4.8 is no longer supported?...
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2017, 08:20:04 am »
hi pcnetspec...i assume then that i should probably revert my test system from the 4.11 series back to the 4.10 series then or will 4.11 series emulate the 4.10 series as regard rolling?...DAMIEN
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2017, 08:42:58 am »
Damn this is hard to explain in text

Ubuntu 16.04 (and therefore Peppermint 7) will remain on the long term 4.4 kernel series (unless you manually move them to the hwe-16.04 kernel).

Ubuntu 16.04.2 (and Peppermint 8 ) take advantage of rolling kernels via the HWE (hwe-16.04 kernel) .. so though they started with the short term 4.8 kernel, shortly after the 17.04 was released with the 4.10 kernel that kernel was backported to the HWE so Ubuntu 16.04.2 and Peppermint 8 automatically rolled onto it .. now 17.10 is out with the 4.13 kernel in a few weeks the 4.13 kernel will be backported to the HWE so Ubuntu 16.04.2 and Peppermint 8 will automagically roll you onto it .. and shortly after 18.04 is released (with an LTS kernel) its kernel will be backported to the HWE so Ubuntu 16.04.2 and Peppermint 8 will automagically roll you onto it .. at that point the rolling of kernels via the HWE will stop for 16.04.2 and Peppermint 8 because you will now be on an LTS kernel that outlives 16.04/Peppermint 8 support.

Did that make sense ?
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2017, 08:51:01 am »
hi pcnetspec...yes that made perfect sense to me and thanks for the clarification but the one last question on this is...what about the 4.11 series i have on my test system...should i roll it back to the 4.10 series or will the 4.11 do the same thing as you outlined for me about the 4.10 series upgrading to the 4.13 series?...DAMIEN
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2017, 08:58:28 am »
hi pcnetspec...i assume then that i should probably revert my test system from the 4.11 series back to the 4.10 series then or will 4.11 series emulate the 4.10 series as regard rolling?...DAMIEN

Personally I'd say (unless 4.11 solved a hardware problem) you should have stayed on the hwe-16.04 kernel (currently at 4.10) as this will roll you onto the 4.13 series soon.

If when you installed 4.11 you didn't at the same time uninstall hwe-16.04, currently you'll still have both 4.10 and 4.11 installed but your system will be defaulting to boot into 4.11 .. but hwe-16.04 will still be updating even though it's not being used.

So it doesn't really matter if you remove 4.11 now or after hwe-16.04 updates to the 4.13 series .. but if you want 4.13 you'll probably have to remove 4.11 at some point or you may be stuck booting into 4.11 even though 4.13 is installed .. this is all pretty new so I'm not 100% sure if a manually installed 4.11 will stop being the default when 4.13 comes in via the HWE.

In either case it's easy enough to fix either now or then .. simply boot into the 4.10/4.13 kernel (via the GRUB menu) and uninstall 4.11 :)
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2017, 09:13:31 am »
no there is no hardware problem...just wanted to see if it would work on a 10 yr old eee pc 1.66 ghz atom processor with 1 gig ram...works great with peppermint 8 i might add but no difference that i can see from the 4.10 series so ill just grub it and revert back to 4.10...thanks alot guy...by the way, i read your a biker...you should see the motorised bicycle i built...since i moved from new england 6 years ago to alamogordo new mexico,(360 days of sunshine a year in the high desert lol),i use it everyday for transportation...in NM no license registration or insurance required...they just consider it a bicycle lol...thanks alot again for info...DAMIEN
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2017, 09:24:25 am »
360 days of sunshine a year...

Okay, considering I'm a Brit, there's no need to rub it in :)

Nowadays with our stupid overly 'heaalth and safety' focussed laws it's becoming nearly impossible to get anything on the road that's bespoke .. but I'd be interested if youu have any pics of this beast :)
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2017, 09:33:03 am »
i do have pics of the beast (my ex-wife lol) but also of the bike...my nikon says they are about 8 mbs a piece...how would i post or send for you to see?...got to go and get ready for church right now but you tell me how to do so and ill get back to you when i get back home...DAMIEN
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 12:38:15 pm »
Personally I'd say (unless 4.11 solved a hardware problem) you should have stayed on the hwe-16.04 kernel (currently at 4.10) as this will roll you onto the 4.13 series soon.

I've got the signed 4.13 HWE working fine, on 'P7' - UEFI, Secure Boot, and the whole enchilada.

Don't suggest users try this, unless they know what they're doing, but...  it's almost baked ;)

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vindsl@Chi-You ~ $ lsb_release -irc
Distributor ID:   Peppermint
Release:   7
Codename:   xenial
vindsl@Chi-You ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: Chi-You Kernel: 4.13.0-16-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Latitude E6430 v: 01
           Mobo: Dell model: N/A Bios: Dell v: A21 date: 05/08/2017
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i7-3540M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3700 MHz 1: 2990 MHz 2: 2990 MHz 3: 2990 MHz 4: 2990 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.01hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.2.2
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-16-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Wireless 7260 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (11.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 4.9G (27%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 59G used: 16G (28%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda7
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 04:56:56 pm »
In case anyone is interested in this sort of stuff, here are the packages I installed:

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linux-headers-4.13.0-16 (4.13.0-16.19~16.04.3)
linux-headers-4.13.0-16-generic (4.13.0-16.19~16.04.3)
linux-headers-generic-hwe-16.04-edge (4.13.0.16.23)
linux-image-4.13.0-16-generic (4.13.0-16.19~16.04.3)
linux-image-extra-4.13.0-16-generic (4.13.0-16.19~16.04.3)
linux-signed-generic-hwe-16.04-edge (4.13.0.16.23)
linux-signed-image-4.13.0-16-generic (4.13.0-16.19~16.04.3)
linux-signed-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge (4.13.0.16.23)
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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2017, 05:16:20 pm »
@ VinDSL

That's weird, I thought hwe-16.04-edge was still on 4.11 :-\



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Re: how long is pepermint 8 supported
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2017, 05:39:20 pm »
@ VinDSL

That's weird, I thought hwe-16.04-edge was still on 4.11 :-\

It is, Chief.

I purposely didn't include the addy for the binaries - don't want users to experiment with things they can't recover from, if it goes south.

if you're interested, I'll PM you.  ;)