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Of Laptops and Phones
« on: August 28, 2017, 06:54:59 am »
Purism Unveils Plans to Build Librem 5, the World’s First Encrypted, Open Smartphone Ecosystem Giving Users Complete Device Control

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We believe phones should not track you nor exploit your digital life. We are in the middle of a digital rights revolution where you get to decide the future. We at Purism are building a phone that does not run Android nor iOS, but runs PureOS or any GNU/Linux distribution where all the source code is available.

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Meet the development team at the 2017 Debian Conference
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 07:24:05 am »
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Meet the development team at the 2017 Debian Conference
We are proud to announce that we will be sponsoring and attending the 2017 Debian conference from August 1st to August 12 in Montréal, Canada.

Damn it !  I missed that one...

I would have gone to Montreal a week early, if I'd known about it.   :P

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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 05:17:32 pm »
How many times...
https://www.engadget.com/2013/10/09/quasar-iv-encrypted-phone-production/?ncid=rss_truncated

https://www.wired.com/2015/09/review-blackphone-2/

Sounds like a good idea to me and you, but in reality (Like Win10 spyware), Joe Average doesn't give a s**t

And a Linux smartphone will only ever take off in any meaningful way when it gets picked up by someone with the clout of say Samsung and attracts a HUGE app ecosystem .. and if they do, they'll rename it for sure (like Android) :))

That said as a niche thing, I quite liked the look of the Ubuntu Phone .. the problem with these things is you know they'll be expensive, there'll be no apps, and they'll disappear after 2 years :(



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There's also the catch 22 of - If it's an American or Euro effort it's hard to trust there's no secretly mandated back door .. and if it's anyone else it's hard to trust for other reasons.

Or is that just tin hat me ?
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2017, 10:11:00 pm »
Sounded good at 4:00 AM.  ;)


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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2017, 07:27:50 am »
LOL, don't get me wrong I'd love to see this succeed (or even for it to simply prompt mainstream discussion about phone/data privacy) .. but I just seriously doubt it will interest the unthinking cat pic fekbook sheep, so will get nowhere beyond a tiny niche then disappear :(

The "or any GNU/Linux distribution" does sound interesting though .. I maybe can feel a Peppermint hijacking coming on :D

"Peppermint" does sound better for a phone than "Ubuntu" or even "Pure" ;)
(except we can't steal the Apple "iOS" style naming convention, because "pOS" carries very different connotations)
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2017, 10:45:51 am »
I guess I'm late, I think it's very interesting... but the funding isn't looking great :(

I liked the old Windows mobile thing (the PocketPC with Pen and an awesome sliding keyboard), because it was really like a PC in the Pocket. Looked a lot like XP, felt a lot like it and (the few applications that ran on it) actually ran like on a (very old) PC... the 1x 400MHz CPU wasn't that great, but a modern smartphone is slightly stronger..
I got it for free when the smartphones started appearing and did everything I needed to do for school on it. If I couldn't sleep during classes I was working on the presentations and stuff we had to do. That thing boosted my grades :D
I still have that thing, my only remaining full time windows machine, just in case i need MS Office :D

A PocketPeppermintPC would be awesome, although it wouldn't replace a regular smartphone... I mean most people don't know how to communicate without Whatsapp. Like on the PC, Peppermint is great but no Windows replacement, because your expected to use Windows.

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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2017, 04:58:55 pm »
I still have that thing, my only remaining full time windows machine, just in case i need MS Office :D

Unfortunately, [the lack of] MS Office is not an option for me. That's why I dual-boot Peppermint/'10' on my lappy.

Maybe, someday, I'll be able free the surly bonds of windersworld, but in the meantime, I'm just a penguin in a sea of sharks.

Concerning 'Game of Phones', I still haven't purchased a 'smarty'. I get by just fine with 2 flip phones, but ...

It would be nice to tether to my own personal mobile hotspot - save a lot of time, hunting down a connection.

Maybe 'they' should start small, and create a data only Linux phone - basically a secure, encrypted, mobile router with no tracking, and build on that.
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2017, 02:49:38 pm »
I'm still using my first smartphone, Android 4.2.2... I think they're at 8 now ::) Security updates are overrated on a highly insecure system :D

That's what I hope for - a basic Linux for the pocket. Android/iOS is more like a convenient multifunctional surveillance monitor.

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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2017, 11:27:24 am »
Concerning 'Game of Phones', I still haven't purchased a 'smarty'. I get by just fine with 2 flip phones, but ...

It would be nice to tether to my own personal mobile hotspot - save a lot of time, hunting down a connection.

Maybe 'they' should start small, and create a data only Linux phone - basically a secure, encrypted, mobile router with no tracking, and build on that.


i have a small LG e425g that works real good for hotspotting. A new LG E425g Optimus L3 II runs about sixty bucks here.
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 10:51:34 am »
i have a small LG e425g that works real good for hotspotting. A new LG E425g Optimus L3 II runs about sixty bucks here.

Nice phone. I wish it would work with my service provider's CDMA and 4G LTE network.

I'll probably go with the fairly small Motorola Moto E4 ($49.00 USD);)


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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 11:49:36 am »
Okay, alynur, you Svengali.  I've joined the zombie nation.

Your show n' tell did the deed.  I just ordered a Moto E4.

Guess I'll flip one of my flip-phone accounts to 2017 usage.

Gotta say, I'm going to miss the $3.00 USD/mo. grandfathered service, but hey...  ;D
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2017, 12:05:59 pm »
i have a small LG e425g that works real good for hotspotting. A new LG E425g Optimus L3 II runs about sixty bucks here.

Nice phone. I wish it would work with my service provider's CDMA and 4G LTE network.

I'll probably go with the fairly small Motorola Moto E4 ($49.00 USD);)




That is a nice phone, and the price is killer, here it runs about $170 USD.  My only complaint would be it's size, too big for me. Looks like if I ever want to upgrade, I'll have no choice but to go bigger. I would like a front facing camera. Good luck with your new one, no more internet connection problems.
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2017, 12:43:49 pm »
That is a nice phone, and the price is killer, here it runs about $170 USD.  My only complaint would be it's size, too big for me. Looks like if I ever want to upgrade, I'll have no choice but to go bigger. I would like a front facing camera. Good luck with your new one, no more internet connection problems.

It's bigger than I want (5-inches), but the price is right, plus it's been getting mostly glowing reviews.

I played around with an Apple SE (4-inches) at a kiosk in Montreal QB, last month. That would be the perfect size, but my family has been down-talking Apple products and ecosystem, like "Whatever. Get an Apple, but you're on your own." LoL!

They're against the Moto E4 too, because of the low price, like "Whatever you want to do. You get what you pay for though." Supposedly it's made by Lenovo. How bad can it be?

I carry a dual-boot Dell i7 laptop with Peppermint/"10" installed and fully updated. I own a great digital camera, and equally great digital camcorder. I don't care about any of those functions in a phone. I'm only interested in a handful of apps that require Android/iOS - that's all.

Anyway, thanks for pushing me over the cliff. I needed a shove...  ;)
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2018, 06:38:32 pm »
I saw Boost's Moto E4 and LG's Tribute on a clearance sale today at Walmart.  The Moto was going for $45 (running Nougat) and the Tribute (running Marshmallow) was going for $35.  It's funny that I caught the drop in prices on the same day that T-Mobile and Sprint officially announce their plans to merge.
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Re: Of Laptops and Phones
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2018, 08:53:21 pm »
I don't why this caught me by surprise, but it did.  Yandex has made its own Android phone. :o


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New Yandex Smartphone Offers a Unified Yandex Mobile Experience
5 dec 2018

Today, Yandex announced the release of its first smartphone, Yandex.Phone.  This device is the first phone to be fully powered by our intelligent assistant, Alice, and it is the first smartphone to be entirely integrated into the Yandex mobile ecosystem of apps and services right out of the box.  We’re excited to provide mobile users with the best Yandex smartphone experience.
   

Our smartphone gives Russian mobile users unrivalled integration with our ecosystem with a mobile experience personalised with Yandex apps and services.  Yandex.Phone learns more about its owner’s schedule as they use the phone, and the phone provides notifications based on what its user is doing. Integration with Yandex.Maps gives users timely traffic updates while Yandex.Weather provides hyperlocal forecasting.

Yandex.Phone is the only smartphone in Russia to have Alice completely integrated into the phone.  For the first time, mobile users can use Russia’s most powerful intelligent assistant across all apps and services.  Alice can be activated regardless of what a user is doing on the phone, and the user can employ voice commands to interact with the assistant even when the phone is not being held.
Alice suggests the user dress warmly for cold weather tomorrow.

Yandex.Phone has a 5.65-inch Full HD+ LCD screen with IPS and runs Android 8.1 with our Yandex.Launcher interface, and an octa-core Snapdragon processor powers the phone.  A fingerprint sensor allows users to unlock the phone by touch, with Gorilla Glass on the front and back with an aluminum frame.  The phone has dual 16MP and 5MP rear cameras and a 5MP front camera, both with flash, and 64GB of expandable storage.

The phone retails for 17,990 rubles ($270) and will be available tomorrow at the Yandex Store at our Moscow headquarters.  On December 7, users can buy the phone through Beeline, one of Russia’s largest telecommunications providers, and at M.Video and Eldorado retail electronics stores.  Users will also be able to buy the phone on December 7 through our new Beru e-commerce marketplace, with free delivery across Russia.

In May, we unveiled our first hardware product, the Yandex.Station smart speaker, which brought Alice into homes across Russia for the first time.  With the announcement of two third-party smart speakers last month, our intelligent assistant became available in even more products for the home.  Alice is also now available in cars across Russia, through the Yandex.Auto infotainment system on certain new vehicles and in all vehicles in our Yandex.Drive car-sharing fleet.  Yandex.Phone marks our second hardware release this year and provides the most comprehensive Yandex and Alice mobile experience in Russia.

We’re happy to give our users a new way to engage with our products and services and to provide the most extensive Yandex mobile experience yet.  We look forward to expanding the array of products in the Yandex ecosystem and bringing Alice to an even wider audience.

yandex.phone
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Source:  https://yandex.com/company/blog (2nd blog down with photos)

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