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FireWire 400 drive
« on: June 28, 2017, 12:51:34 am »
I'm a relative newbie on Peppermint, running P8 on a 32-bit Intel Core Duo iMac (early 2006).  I recently acquired a 40 GB external FireWire hard drive (SmartDisk FireLite Model FWFL40).  I connected it via a FireWire cable and it lights up upon connection to my iMac, but isn't recognized either as an available device (nor as a network drive).  [I intended to use the iMac to load a PPC-friendly linux OS from which I might boot an ailing 20 inch iMac G4.]

I didn't find reference to FireWire on this forum, but the Ubuntu forum says it's a supported format.  When the device wasn't recognized upon plugging it in I rebooted with the device connected to see if it was found if connected from the start; no progress that way either.

Ideas?

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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 07:18:08 am »
Can you unplug the device .. wait 5 seconds(ish) .. then replug the device .. then open a terminal and post the output from:
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 11:12:19 pm »
Here's what spits out when I do:

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[55717.629787] wlan0: authenticated
[55717.630243] b43 ssb0:0 wlan0: disabling HT as WMM/QoS is not supported by the AP
[55717.630247] b43 ssb0:0 wlan0: disabling VHT as WMM/QoS is not supported by the AP
[55717.632073] wlan0: associate with 00:11:24:2a:97:50 (try 1/3)
[55717.634738] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:11:24:2a:97:50 (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=6)
[55717.635187] wlan0: associated
[57627.452073] usb 1-3.2: new full-speed USB device number 113 using ehci-pci
[57627.562276] usb 1-3.2: New USB device found, idVendor=1908, idProduct=2070
[57627.562282] usb 1-3.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[57627.562286] usb 1-3.2: Product: USB2.0 Device
[57627.562290] usb 1-3.2: Manufacturer: Generic
[57627.562294] usb 1-3.2: SerialNumber: 20131000sn0
[57627.562888] usb-storage 1-3.2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[57627.566841] scsi host4: usb-storage 1-3.2:1.0
[57628.573007] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Buildwin Media-Player     1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[57628.573744] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[57628.577092] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 15130624 512-byte logical blocks: (7.75 GB/7.21 GiB)
[57628.578077] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[57628.578082] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[57628.579078] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
[57628.579086] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[57628.593161]  sdb: sdb1
[57628.596833] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[57636.629533] FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[59446.400758] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Stopping disk
[59446.492105] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Start/Stop Unit failed: Result: hostbyte=DID_BUS_BUSY driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[59446.556206] firewire_sbp2 fw1.0: released target 5:0:0
[59451.745088] scsi host5: SBP-2 IEEE-1394
[59451.745375] firewire_sbp2 fw1.0: workarounds 0x20 (firmware_revision 0x002801, model_id 0x000000)
[59451.745391] firewire_core 0000:04:03.0: created device fw1: GUID 00d00109000078d5, S400
[59451.745400] firewire_core 0000:04:03.0: phy config: new root=ffc0, gap_count=5
[59451.948163] firewire_sbp2 fw1.0: logged in to LUN 0000 (0 retries)
[59456.948487] scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access     SmartDis FireLite Drive   Rev1 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[59456.949647] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] 78140160 512-byte logical blocks: (40.0 GB/37.3 GiB)
[59456.949970] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
[59456.949977] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 10 00 00 00
[59456.950059] sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
[59456.950958] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Asking for cache data failed
[59456.950969] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[59456.985692] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
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So it seems to be advising me to run fsck; good advice?
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 12:10:44 am by AndyInMokum, Reason: Encapsulating output with [spoiler]. »

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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 12:12:17 am »
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 10:09:25 am »
Ignore the fsck warning for now .. it looks like it was just a generic warning when you UNplugged it.

With the device plugged in, can you post the output from:
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sudo fdisk -l
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sudo blkid

Because it looks like the device is being detected.
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 06:18:59 pm »
Sure:

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sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for kim:
Disk /dev/sda: 119.2 GiB, 128035676160 bytes, 250069680 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 61B7981B-31FF-469A-9222-732160CE4BC5

Device         Start       End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1       2048      4095      2048     1M BIOS boot
/dev/sda2       4096 248006655 248002560 118.3G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda3  248006656 250068991   2062336  1007M Linux swap


Disk /dev/sdb: 7.2 GiB, 7746879488 bytes, 15130624 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x5387f638

Device     Boot Start     End Sectors   Size Id Type
/dev/sdb1  *       59 1757963 1757905 858.4M  c W95 FAT32 (LBA)


Disk /dev/sdc: 37.3 GiB, 40007761920 bytes, 78140160 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
kim@kim-iMac ~ $ ^C
kim@kim-iMac ~ $ sudo blkid
/dev/sda2: UUID="55f778b6-6124-4a8a-b2a9-be012a0c1dad" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="dbc153bc-a93b-47e4-83ab-53421752ed6d"
/dev/sda3: UUID="ee0b2da9-4b71-45fd-8470-65a46dae6503" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="934baf4f-5425-428f-b140-ab5ae5d21759"
/dev/sdb1: UUID="5184-BE74" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="5387f638-01"
/dev/sda1: PARTUUID="9383186b-04d0-4128-860e-c28cd45d506e"

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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2017, 12:04:19 pm »
Is this firewire disk 8GB ?

Because if it is, it's available .. you just need to open the file manager and it should be in the left hand column.

If on the other hand it's the 40GB drive, it looks like the system knows about it but doesn't understand its partition table/filesystem.

If it's 40GB, what did it come from .. a Mac ?
(in which case we might either have to add HFS+ file system support .. or format the drive)
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2017, 06:17:12 pm »
It's the 40 GB drive.  I just purchased it used so have no idea what the file system is, but it certainly could be an Apple file system.

As noted in a prior post, I hope to use this drive to boot a PPC iMac (20 inch G4) with a Linux os (I was trying to put Linux on it when the process aborted part way through; now it fails to chime upon boot).  Figure that into your recommendations about whether to go one way or the other...

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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2017, 07:05:32 pm »
So you don't mind wiping the drive ?
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2017, 08:34:04 am »
No problem with wiping it; since I've just acquired it (and never accessed it) so anything on it isn't mine...

My only issue is that it be formatted in a way that gives a G4 iMac some opportunity to access it.
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2017, 08:44:48 am »
Can a G4 Mac can read windows NTFS partitions ?
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2017, 09:14:56 am »
Having utterly no idea, I copied your entire question into a Google search and came up with:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/548085?start=0&tstart=0

...which begins "OS X only supports read-only on NTSF drives."

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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2017, 09:28:55 am »
So you're running OS X ? .. which version ?

You could always format a USB stick as NTFS and test it on OS X

Or I'll do that later.
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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2017, 10:03:41 am »
I was running OS X 10.5 Leopard on that machine, trying to set it up to dual boot with Lubuntu 16.  I didn't succeed; the installer asked me questions about partition setup I didn't know how to answer so I cancelled the installation.  Nevertheless, the installer did something to the iMac and now it won't boot to anything or open the dvd tray so I can reinstall.

My hope is to use the FireWire drive to reinstall an OS (Leopard or Lubuntu) known to run on this machine (PPC Macs resist booting from USB, and as noted the DVD tray ignores the keyboard eject button and has no visible manual eject button).

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Re: FireWire 400 drive
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2017, 02:19:57 pm »
Well here's the problem with that (and the reason your firewire drive is unreadable at the moment) .. a LiveCD image (ISO) is just that, it's a CDROM filesystem (ISO9660)

We may be able to get it to behave as either a LiveCD or a LiveUSB.

Are you running Peppermint or Mint on the PC you're going to use to format the drive ?

and have you tried any of these suggestions for force ejecting the Mac CD/DVD ?
https://support.apple.com/es-es/HT2286
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https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4278382?tstart=0
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