Peppermint 8 - New Installation - failing to shutdown

[Bigoeuf]

Evening all - well many congratulations to all involved on the latest edition in the Peppermint evolution - very, very nice 
  I tried it for a while as a live USB then which seemed fine, a lot of work 'under the hood' so to speak, especially with the settings.  Although I was having a problem with the shutdown, which I thought was a USB problem  (I've had some glitches with USB on this machine), basically it hangs & I had to do a couple of hard shutdowns. However I couldn't resist & did a full install in place of my Pepp 7 - it was too good to resist & there seemed to be a marked improvement in the video quality, most notably screen-tearing, which was a problem in Pepp 7 for me.
 I spent an hour or so installing & tweaking how I like & come to shutdown & the same problem is occurring as with the live USB - its just hanging on the shutdown splash screen with about the progress bar about 5% done so I had to do another hard shutdown
I have booted back in & it appears that all what I did has stuck with no issues (fingers crossed) - in fact I am typing this in Pepp 8 now 
Obviously I can't go on like this but I don't know what to do about it - any thoughts?
Cheers 

[PCNetSpec]

When it appears to hang at shutdown, can you hit the "Esc" key and see if anything is being displayed onscreen ?

[Bigoeuf]

No nothing when press 'Esc' - had done it before but just tried again same thing happening - the power led is on & wifi but the activity led is totally dormant - this seems a constant issue not a glitch - it does it every time so far. I pretty sure the iso was ok  - I did GPG verification on it & it was confirmed fine.
Would there be a log that might point towards whats happening? 

[PCNetSpec]

Have you tried leaving it for 3 minutes to see if it eventually shuts down .. I had the same issue when I'd mounted some NAS shares with cifs over wireless .. it did eventually shut down, but it took 2 minutes for systemd to give up waiting for a response to an umount command that was never going to come because it had already taken down wireless

I'm not suggesting this as a solution .. just for diagnostics

[Bigoeuf]

Hmmm well I've  shutdown twice since install now - both with the same issue, however the first time I left the lappy running for over half an hour before I decided to bite the bullet 
And while I cant be 100% sure for the first time on the second occasion I shut everything down apart from Dropbox
Just going to knock off now so this the third time - wish me luck lol

[PCNetSpec]

I wonder if

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sudo shutdown -P now

would shut it down fully ?

[Bigoeuf]

let you know 

[Bigoeuf]

Nope same again (its still running) starts off like alls going well then comes to an abrupt halt 

[Bigoeuf]

Well breaking news - just whacked the USB  stick back in & booted into live & soon as desktop was up I shutdown - & hey presto it did - therefore I deduce my dear PCNetSpec its probably sumat I've done so let the games begin lol 
Good thing is it was playing up the same way on shutdown after I had been in live environment - done a few tweaks & then shutdown - so I  suppose it's a process of elimination if I can remember what I did  lol 

[PCNetSpec]

Can we have the output from:

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inxi -Fz

[Bigoeuf]

Good Evening  firstly:

Can we have the output from:

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inxi -Fz

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mick@mick-Inspiron-1501 ~ $ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: mick-Inspiron-1501 Kernel: 4.8.0-53-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Eight
Machine:   System: Dell product: Inspiron 1501
           Mobo: Dell model: 0UW744 Bios: Dell v: 2.6.3 date: 12/07/2007
CPU:       Dual core AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50 (-MCP-) cache: 512 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 1600 MHz 1: 800 MHz 2: 800 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS482M [Mobility Radeon Xpress 200]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x800@60.96hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS480 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 17.0.2
Audio:     Card Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.8.0-53-generic
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN driver: b43-pci-bridge
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX driver: b44
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (28.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_HM060HI size: 60.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 12G used: 6.0G (55%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 49.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 175 Uptime: 26 min Memory: 711.6/3824.2MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35

So this is what I have found so far:
If I boot into liveUSB it will shutdown fine if go direct to the logoff menu & shutdown or or shutdown directly from the terminal but if I carry out any other action (open apps i.e. Nemo or edit menu etc.) then the shutdown problem occurs.
The shutdown problem always occurs if I boot into my Pepp 8 install regardless of whether I go direct to the logoff menu & shutdown or or shutdown directly from the terminal - it also occurs if I shutdown from the login screen directly from boot.
I have booted into safemode from the grub screen, done a fsck, then normal boot out of there & then I could shutdown ok from the login screen.

Despite me verifying my iso (torrent) download I decided to do a fresh (direct) download of the Pepp 8 iso, verify it & write it to the USB stick - however the problem still occurs. What Im going to do now is write the Pepp 7 iso to the USB stick & see if it occurs then (which didn't happen before)

[Bigoeuf]

Another developement - had a few apps open including chromium with with 6 tabs open - one was internet radio -  I was searching for an icon browsing through multiple images in another tab when everything crashed with the screen freezing to what I can only describe as vertical green stripes. Tried  Crtl-Alt-t, Crtl-Alt-Del, Esc, REISUB, & Crtl-Alt-F3  - nothing so had to do yet another hard shutdown 
Also when in chromium when maximising from the panel the screen quite often goes momentarily fuzzy - the CPU appears to be working a lot harder &, probably as a consequence, fan is also going like billy'o, something that I have seen reported in another post recently. 

[Bigoeuf]

Good morning - well as I said  I wrote the Pepp 7 iso to the USB stick booted into it - had a play around & then shutdown with no issues. I am experiencing a number of issues with pepp 8 on this old Dell Inspiron 1501 & its possibly my old, low spec hardware isn't supported too well in the new OS, which is a pity - there is lots in it I like. I don't see many other people with similar issues & as this is my sole & daily driver I'm going to revert back to pepp 7 which was pretty much rock solid for me (probably a  bit hastey in jumping in the first place - but hey a fresh install of pepp 7 will clean things up a little bit).
So unless anyone has any compelling reason why not I will revert 

[AndyInMokum]

Hi Bigoeuf, how's it going  ?  Thank a shame, you're probably right with your analyse.  Anyway, there's nothing wrong with Peppermint 7.  It's supported thru' April 2021.  You've also the  nice fresh reinstall  .

Could you please remember to mark the topic as [SOLVED] or [ABANDONED] in the subject line of thread's first posting - many thanks  .

[toddgrim]

You are not alone. I had some issues getting 8 installed on my old laptop but after getting it up and running as advertised It wouldn't complete the shutdown, just like you described. Came back up fine and as I rarely shut down the computer it's no big deal but obviously something ain't right.

BTW-I just noticed while we different brands the "innards," AMD CPU etc., are very similar. Coincidence?
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