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Re: Strange
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2017, 11:46:42 am »
smartcl is part of the smartmontools package ;)

But if I had to guess that was probably installed as a dependency of gsmartcontrotl .. so the command would probably work now.
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Re: Strange
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2017, 11:58:15 am »
"used only once" is a bit of a stretch for 253 hours, even if he never switched off  ???

But it says 511 hours, where did 253 come from?
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Re: Strange
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2017, 12:00:49 pm »
Yeah you're right it works now but it looks like it's giving me the exact same data as gsmartcontrol

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There are 2 things I find misleading with his description

(1) Condition: Used - Like New

Other than the packaging exactly what part is "Like New"

(2) Comments: Used only once and still Package is available.

It may only have been used in one machine but according to the smart data it's clearly been used more than once

Maybe I'm clutching at straws  :-\



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Re: Strange
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2017, 12:04:45 pm »
And it's not even the packaging for the right drive.

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Re: Strange
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2017, 12:14:33 pm »
There is no "used like new" category for electronic items on Amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=3149161

The closest would be "Like New", which according to their description is:-

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Like New: an apparently untouched item in perfect condition. The original plastic wrap may be missing, but the original packaging is intact. There are absolutely no signs of wear. Suitable for presenting as a gift.

Now the next category down is "Very Good" which reads:-

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Very Good: a well-cared-for item that has seen limited use but remains in great condition. The item and its instructions are complete and undamaged, but may show some signs of wear. The item works perfectly.

So as there's definitely signs of wear, I'd say it was misrepresented.

"Like New" appears to be purely about opened packaging .. not "used".
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Re: Strange
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2017, 12:18:17 pm »
There is no "used like new" category for electronic items on Amazon
There is because "like new" is a subheading under the heading of "Used Electronics & Photo items"

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Re: Strange
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2017, 12:23:37 pm »
Yep you're right, but that's where the descriptions are from

Can I also add that IMHO (and that of any other reasonable person) 512 hours on the drive can in NO WAY be considered "no signs of wear",

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That said it's not a huge amount either .. my SSD has over 11000 hours on it ;)

I mean if you say it's been running for 8 hours a day .. it's only 64 days or a little over 2 months old, so pretty young in the grand scheme of things ;D

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169 Total_Bad_Block         -O--CK   100   100   ---    -    314
171 Program_Fail_Count      -O--CK   100   100   ---    -    0
172 Erase_Fail_Count        -O--CK   100   100   ---    -    0

And more importantly, though it says you have 314 bad blocks this is quite normal for an SSD (even new) .. the important facts are it has never failed to be able to program or erase a block.
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Re: Strange
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2017, 12:36:52 pm »
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252 - 512 hours on the drive can in NO WAY be considered "no signs of wear"...--PCNeSpec

I agree.  You've got a good case here, emegra.

Amazon, at least in the States, is very responsive to its customers.  I pretty certain you'll be alright with this.  Jot down a few talking points, and then use the broken record technique:  repeat your points over and over again until they remedy the situation.  If they're not cooperative, ask to speak to their supervisor. Then, again, repeat your points over and over again until they remedy the situation.  Sometimes they'll even tell you to keep the darn thing, and then they'll refund your money.  But chances are, in this case, you'll have to do a return.  They may email you a label to print out for the return.

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In fact, I'd repeat that line that's above, over and over again, from PCNetSpec.  It's a good one! ;)
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Re: Strange
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2017, 12:42:23 pm »
Samsung Magician says I have Power-on Hours 12645 and front screen says 14.1 TB written - That's my plain SSD 850 Evo that I got in Mid 2015. It won't read the Samsung NVMe drive...
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Re: Strange
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2017, 12:51:23 pm »
Personally I'd say as the drive is pretty young and has experienced no program/erase failures, I'd write this off as a learning experience and not worry about it too much ;)

But if you wanted to return it, I'd say you have a case as long as you inform Amazon pretty quickly .. so he can't say the 512 hours on the drive are mainly yours.
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Re: Strange
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2017, 01:18:50 pm »
To be fair it was my own fault I purchased this as a used item it apparently said it was used on the description, that said I don't think the price reflects a used 240gb SSD regardless of how much hours it's clocked up, if I had only paid £30-£40 for this drive (which is all it's worth) I wouldn't have anything to complain about after all you only get what you pay for but I could have bought a new one for the same money,

He's misrepresented it as Mark pointed out there is no Used-Like New in the electronics category and the definition of like new is described as  "an apparently untouched item in perfect condition" & "absolutely no signs of wear." in my opinion neither of these definitions can be attributed to this drive there is also inappropriate data on this drive which might help my case, I don't really want to use that, (what guy hasn't looked a porn on the internet) but hey all's fair in love & war

I'll pursue it as far as I can nothing ventured nothing gained at the end of the day the drive is probably ok and it seems 253-512 hours isn't a whole lot in the grand scheme of things

Thanks for all your interest and advice guys it's much appreciated I'll keep you posted on how it goes

watch this space :)


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Re: Strange
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2017, 02:22:30 pm »
watch this space :)

Sweet !   Popcorn time  :D

Go get 'em, Graeme !

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Re: Strange
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2017, 02:50:52 pm »
as Mark pointed out there is no Used-Like New in the electronics category
We've established that there is, to be fair.

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Re: Strange
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2017, 03:05:59 pm »
never ordered anything on the net and i see that you got good advices anyway :), will just watch "Graeme's adventure".
*grabs popcorn*

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Re: Strange
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2017, 03:52:16 pm »
as Mark pointed out there is no Used-Like New in the electronics category
We've established that there is, to be fair.

You're getting hung up on my earlier minor technical mistake .. it doesn't matter if the definitions are from a subheading of Electronics > Used > [Category], those category descriptions still stand no matter that I didn't see they were from a subheading, they're still the right descriptions and the item doesn't fit the one the seller chose, so it was misrepresented.



watch this space :)

Sweet !   Popcorn time  :D

Go get 'em, Graeme !

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@emegra

The hour counts is 512 hours .. the 253 is some kind of default (otherwise all readings are either 253 or 100) .. its the RAW_VALUE that's the figure you're after.
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