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System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« on: February 04, 2017, 05:39:03 pm »
Hi everyone, how's it going?  Here's my machine's specs:
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System:    Host: andy-Latitude-E6410 Kernel: 4.4.0-62-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: N/A
           Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Latitude E6410 v: 0001
           Mobo: Dell model: 0667CC v: A03 Bios: Dell v: A16 date: 12/05/2013
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5 M 560 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 2667 MHz 1: 1466 MHz 2: 2133 MHz 3: 1333 MHz 4: 1333 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
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           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio:     Card Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-62-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1120.2GB (29.4% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: KINGSTON_SV300S3 size: 120.0GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10JPVX size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 7.2G (39%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
           ID-2: /home size: 16G used: 4.3G (30%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 65.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 236 Uptime: 5 min Memory: 1061.0/7909.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
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I have an ongoing issue with my machine.  When it's booted after a full shutdown, the system invariable freezes.  This happens either at the login screen, or after the system has fully loaded.   It usually happens 3 to 5 minutes after the machine has been booted.  REISUB and Ctrl+Alt+F2 does nothing.  The whole system is completely frozen.  A hard shutdown is necessary.  After booting up again, fsck runs automatically.  The freezing now stops.  I usually run a reboot to be safe. After a reboot, the machine runs without freezing.   I'm wondering if my machine is incorrectly shutting down and causing system errors when it's booted up.  It's got me baffled  :-\?
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 06:04:37 pm »
Hi Andy,
THIS deals with a similar issue re rebooting but you might find something to help you out. 

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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2017, 06:36:37 pm »
Have you tried reverting back to a previous kernel version?
Did notice you have the latest for PM7-64bit which was updated a few days ago via the mint-updater
I has exactly the same issue a few months back and it turned out to be the new kernel.

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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2017, 06:53:12 pm »
Have you tried reverting back to a previous kernel version?
Did notice you have the latest for PM7-64bit which was updated a few days ago via the mint-updater
I has exactly the same issue a few months back and it turned out to be the new kernel.
Yeah, I know.  I was hoping the new kernel would fix it.  I've had this issues for ages.  Reverting back to a previous kernel won't help.  It was a good suggestion though.   I tried installing kernel 4.9 too.  That made no difference either.   I've just got around to asking for help.  I'm going to try mac's suggestion.  It can't hurt and it might just be what finally fixes it - fingers crossed  ;).
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 07:01:51 pm »
So what are we saying here - it NEVER does it after a REBOOT, only from a cold start ?
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 07:07:18 pm »
I'm going to try mac's suggestion.  It can't hurt and it might just be what finally fixes it - fingers crossed  ;).

I know you know this but for the possible benefit of others you will need to update grub before testing the change or it won't survive a shutdown / boot up cycle  ;)
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 07:13:20 pm »
I'm going to try mac's suggestion.  It can't hurt and it might just be what finally fixes it - fingers crossed  ;).

I know you know this but for the possible benefit of others you will need to update grub before testing the change or it won't survive a shutdown / boot up cycle  ;)
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sudo update-grub

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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 07:17:11 pm »
Well mac, so far so good.  I've fully shutdown and booted back up a few times.  So far, there's been no system freezes.  This is a very good sign.  I'll leave this thread open for a few days, while I'm testing.  Thanks for the advice  ;).
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2017, 07:21:35 pm »
I'll keep my fingers crossed for a day and a half but after that you're on your own.  Ha!  Hope it continues to work for you, Andy. 

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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2017, 08:06:06 pm »
Interesting !

I have a similar problem with my 32-bit machine.  I know, for a fact, that the problem is caused by janky memory.

I bought some used RAM off eBay.  The used RAM is the same ver as my original RAM, but it's from a different lot, e.g. the lot number is different, but everything else is the same. 

If I boot with the original pair - no problem. If I boot with the used pair - no problem.  But when I run both pair at the same time (slots fully populated) they need to warm up, for a few minutes, or the machine freezes during POST.  So, I turn on my machine, leave it in a frozen state and let it  warm-up for awhile - the longer the better.  After the RAM is toasty, I do a restart, and it will run flawlessly until I turn it off again, and the RAM gets room temp.  I'd leave it on 24/7 but the damn thing uses 200 watts, sitting idle.  It's a real flame thrower.

I got so tired of this B.S, I decided to buy my 'new' Dell desktop machine.  Enough was enough.

Anyway, it sounds like you have a hardware problem.  Linux et al. will put up with just about anything except 'bad' memory.

I have to ask, because of my own problem ... have you tried swapping out your RAM chips ?

Just curious ...   ;)

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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2017, 08:16:02 pm »
So what are we saying here - it NEVER does it after a REBOOT, only from a cold start ?

My question, too.   :)

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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2017, 10:26:07 am »
Sorry guys, I missed your replies.  Yes, my system freezes only after a full shutdown and a boot up.  It's doesn't freeze after a reboot.  On a standard start up the GRUB screen is dim.  On a reboot the GRUB screen is bright.  I also noticed after a shutdown and boot.  I can't drop to Ctrl+Alt+F1.  It just takes me to the GRUB wallpaper instead.  I had to do a reinstall of Peppermint 7 Respin 64-bit because it was becoming really unstable.  After the installation was complete things got really goofy.  I've set up a GPT partition table from GParted.  I've six partitions, no extended partition on a 120GB SSD.  Peppermint 7 is using two of the partitions.  The other four, are formatted to ext4 and unused.  Peppermint 7 would not boot though.  I received a notification saying there was no bootable device.  I've gone into the BIOS and it's set to boot in UEFI.  Several attempts produced the same result.  For the hell of it, I reverted back to, Legacy boot mode.  Peppermint 7 boots up and promptly freezes after about 5 minutes.  It makes no sense to me at all  :-\.
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2017, 09:14:03 pm »
I wonder if installing acpi-support would help:
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Might also help for those people that can't suspend properly
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2017, 09:29:57 pm »
I wonder if installing acpi-support would help:
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sudo apt-get install acpi-support

Might also help for those people that can't suspend properly

That's an idea.  I'm in the middle of reinstalling PM7.  Something very odd was going on when I formated the SSD to GPT partition table  :-\.  I've gone back to ms-dos partition table and using MBR.  It seem far more stable.  No weird stuff happening like suddenly getting corrupted and becoming a read only file system.  Once I finished setting everything up, I'll install acpi support and see what happens  ;).
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Re: System freezes when booting after a full shutdown.
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2017, 09:37:20 pm »
That's an idea.

Yeah full of ideas me, doesn't mean many of em work though :))
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