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harishpathangay

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Hi,
With Lubuntu switching to LxQt as default DE, will it impact PM 8 or any future release?
I think PM is based on Lubuntu.

What I am exactly looking for is:
Assuming Lubuntu has made the switch to LxQt and they have developed some specific apps or utilities for configuration of LxQt. Will I get those same changes if in install LxQt in DE in Peppermint also.
What ever Lubuntu Dev is doing for LxQt will I get those changes [apps/utilities/styles/themes etc specifically] if I install LxQt in PM also?

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Hi,
With Lubuntu switching to LxQt as default DE, will it impact PM 8 or any future release?
I think PM is based on Lubuntu.

What I am exactly looking for is:
Assuming Lubuntu has made the switch to LXqt and they have developed some specific apps or utilities for configuration of LxQt. Will I get those same changes if in install LxQt in DE in Peppermint also.
What ever Lubuntu Dev is doing for LxQt will I get those changes [apps/utilities/styles/themes etc specifically] if I install LxQt in PM also?

Thanks,
Harish P
Peppermint has no intention of making LXqt the default desktop environment for for Peppermint 8.  The development team will continue to develop the Peppermint Hybrid Desktop for the foreseeable future.  This development is independent of both LXDE and LXqt.  Any association with Lubuntu is now more historical than anything else.  Peppermint doesn't directly follow Lubuntu's development path ;).
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harishpathangay

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Hi,
I have to put the question in different way.

lubuntu-qt-desktop and lxqt-desktop both are LxQt only. When I use synaptic in PM which one should I install?

lubuntu-qt-desktop will not be available in PM itself? Is that correct.

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Hi,
I have to put the question in different way.

lubuntu-qt-desktop and lxqt-desktop both are LxQt only. When I use synaptic in PM which one should I install?

lubuntu-qt-desktop will not be available in PM itself? Is that correct.

Thanks,
Harish P

Hi harishpathangay,

Neither as they both take you outside the support remit of this Forum.  Nobody here will have that particular mix so won't be able to tell you what is and what is not correct if you come across any errors.  The developers and Team Peppermint spent months and months testing the current setup.  Any new desktop environments you choose to install may very well "break" the cohesive unit that makes Peppermint OS 7 so good.

If you want LXDE Desktop - it would be far better to install Lubuntu.

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Hi harishpathangay,

I agree with zebedeeboss. Feel free to mutilate your Peppermint Seven installation as you desire, but with the understanding that you will most probably have to repair the damage yourself. I, too, know of no one on the Peppermint Team that has such an adulterated installation.

But, of course, you are free to do as you wish -- just be prepared to wipe it off of your HDD and do a fresh re-installation when it eventually no longer works.  ;)

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If ANY package is available in the Ubuntu repos (for Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu) it WILL be available in Peppermint as we use the upstream repos .. that said, if you choose to install a different DE to our default one you're kind of on your own.

We won't be able to offer support for it, and I'll guarantee Ubuntu won't support it either.
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ok thanks.

Exactly PcNetSpec:
ANY package is available in the Ubuntu repos (for Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu) it WILL be available in Peppermint as we use the upstream repos

I do not see lubuntu-qt-desktop package rather LxQt package only. Are they same or should I wait for next release or something?

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Sorry I currently have no idea if they provide the same thing(s).
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ok thanks. I see this is happening only for lubuntu-qt-desktop?

Ubuntu Mate - has Mate Default DE, but also has xfce,gnome,plasma etc in repos.
Xubuntu - has XFCE Default DE, but also has gnome,plasma,mate etc in repos.
Ubuntu Gnome - has Gnome Default DE, but also has xfce,mate,plasma etc in repos.

I do not find lubuntu-qt-desktop in Peppermint. I do not know about other distributions.
I hope you get what I am intending to say. Rest I leave it to Linux Experts. I am just a Linux Beginner.

Please consider this thread closed.

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Hi,
I get it now.
lubuntu-qt-desktop package is only available in 16.10 and above.
PM 7 is 16.04 based. I think hence it is not available in PM repos.

if PM 8 is based on 17.04, then it will have that package in repos.
Whether if I install or not or not supported was not the question. This is not a DE specific thing either.
I would have been happy if you would have extended that help, considering I am not a Linux Medium level user also.
 
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Hi harishpathangay,

Do you have to have that "qt", harishpathangay?  If you don't, just go back one version of Peppermint to Peppermint 6.  It's an excellent Peppermint distribution, and it's security supported until 2019.  If it's the "qt" thing you want --that's not Peppermint*.  However if you prefer an LXDE-style DE, we got you covered with Peppermint 6 --and Peppermint 6 is gorgeous.


* According to DistroWatch, Debian, Manjaro Linux, Mageia, SparkyLinux, GeckoLinux, ExTix, Calculate Linux, siduction, and Linux From Scratch all have, or support, the LXQt desktop.  My recommendation is that you use Peppermint 6.  Peppermint 6 is well-developed and as stable as a rock.  :)
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I would have been happy if you would have extended that help, considering I am not a Linux Medium level user also.

If you're asking about Lubuntu repos you can't expect Peppermint users to be familiar with them. It's not a case of anyone withholding help.

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If you're asking about Lubuntu repos you can't expect Peppermint users to be familiar with them. It's not a case of anyone withholding help.

That is so true.  Peppermint 6's command line, Software Manager, and Synaptic Package Manager covers just about everything an ordinary user would need.  There's no need to go further than Peppermint 6 to have a rich and rewarding LXDE experience.  Peppermint 6 is truly Peppermint's crown jewel of LXDE-style desktop environments.  It's a fantastic little distribution. :)

We sell one helluva Xfce-style DE, and we sell one helluva LXDE-style DE, and at a very reasonable price.  BUT, if you want Qt packages from here, you're soon discover that you're shopping in the wrong store. ;)
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if PM 8 is based on 17.04, then it will have that package in repos.
Whether if I install or not or not supported was not the question. This is not a DE specific thing either.
I would have been happy if you would have extended that help, considering I am not a Linux Medium level user also.

Okay I'll be as clear as I can .. I have no idea which "qt" packages are available for which versions of Ubuntu (and therefore Peppermint) or how to install them, we don't use them so I don't check :)

I'm guessing that didn't help much but it's the best I can do, I simply don't know .. now ask me a question about "Peppermint" and that's a different matter entirely.....

I think what people are trying to say is you're asking a question that is pretty far removed for the normal remit of this forum.
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I am getting confused. But the way I see Linux is not attached with a DE.
I do understand that I am not allowed to ask for help if I get something bad after installing another DE.
What I do not understand is, if I am not able to find a package in PM repos, then to whom I will ask for it. do not ask me to compile from source. A packaged software should be available in repos right?.

Let us say I want to install gnome-system-monitor, but if I do not find it in repos, whom I will ask? I understand if gnome-system-monitor crashes and it is not running you will not help me, as it is not your code. but if you do not even provide the package in repos then also you will not own up to it. that I am not able to understand.

with any Linux OS people are always willing to try and install so many different software, do not look at DE only. For some reason if Libre Office is not popping up in Repos then to whom I will ask?. I thought there is an understanding to bring more free software across Linux Distributions irrespective of their default DE by means of repositories. For example, Libre Office even though a downloadable debian package is there, I will not install it. I should first look in Package Repos, if it is not available then I should go for other alternatives. With this intention only I asked the question.

I will try to use "GNU/Linux Group" in Peppermint Forum going forward to post such things.
or Should I not use that also? Please let me know.   
 
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