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Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« on: June 10, 2014, 12:59:02 pm »
See this link:
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 01:11:32 pm »
never realized there were so many distros, one I got a chuckle out of was PUD... I could imagine installing that one on a machine, and someone walking up behind me and asking me what I was doing, and I would have to answer playing with my PUD...  LOL    :D
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 02:53:30 pm »
never realized there were so many distros

I seriously doubt if that covers half of the actual number of distro's ;)
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 03:27:36 pm »
well it sure looks like debian is the winner when it comes to having the most distros based on it...  :)
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 03:47:03 pm »
Oh yeah, hands down :)
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 05:28:58 pm »
Debian "Rocks"   8)!!
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 12:50:03 am »
I'm just happy that they got both the origin and the timeline correct. For a long while the presumption was that Peppermint was based on Mint. While we certainly use some Mint tools and abide by many of the same philosophies (and counting that I contributed there for a while) it's certainly easy to conclude that Peppermint is Mint based, but Peppermint is and has been based on Lubuntu ISO files since the beginning.

Anyway, nothing but love for Mint. It continues to be a remarkable project. I just prefer something leaner.

And it continues to astound me how few "base" distributions are actively developed and maintained. Just saying.
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 07:47:23 am »
Debian "Rocks"   8)!!

Debian was the first Linux distro that I used, way back in the last century.  Loved it!

The problem was, it was back in the dial-up days, and almost all 'support' was centered in the northern EU - so there was a huge language barrier for me, not to mention costly phone bills.

Eventually, I settled on Caldera, which I also loved -- but, it wasn't in the same league as Debian.

I *knew* Debian was going to become a big deal, and it has.  I often wonder why I don't go back to it.

I think the reason I don't go back is because I prefer the Ubu-centric communities et al.


For a long while the presumption was that Peppermint was based on Mint.

I 'discovered' Lubuntu when I was looking for a distro that worked effectively/efficiently on USB thumb drives.  I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.  I can't remember which release it was, but the following release sucked (sorry). Bye, bye!

I went searching again, and 'discovered' Peppermint.  The only reason I tried Peppermint was because I heard it was a Lubuntu fork.  Peppermint was Lubuntu done right, with (almost) all the apps I prefer pre-installed.  Yay!

I suppose some ppl think PepperMINT is MINT based is because of the name - like a spicy version of mint or whatevs -  but, any article I've read about it clearly states that Peppermint is a Lubuntu fork.  Just saying.  ;)
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 08:22:32 am »
Since it seems everyone including Kendall likes leaner and meaner, can someone tell me why we build Peppermint out of lubuntu?
Booting to the desktop under lubuntu my laptop uses about 120 megs of ram, sorry but I do not call this lean at all...
The Debian LXDE version when installed on my laptop boots to the desktop using about 40 megs of ram now that is what I call leaner and meaner...
I don't know what Ubuntu does to a distro to make it so heavy, but I know they add a lot of garbage that I always end up removing anyways....
I think ubuntu has finally seen better days and other distros are finally shining so bright that ubuntu is going to get lost in their shadows....  :)
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 09:06:12 am »
Whilst staying pretty light and nimble is still a goal of Peppermint, I doubt if it's the only goal .. ease of use and frankly "looks" are also part of the mix.

There's also the fact that minimal memory footprint is becoming less and less necessary as older PC's die, and the price of RAM drops.

The Debian insistence on "no proprietary software" is ruling them out as a base for a lot of distros .. sure it can be added, but not easily by a new user.

Ubuntu have IMHO done a pretty good job of polishing Debian and making access to a lot of proprietary software and drivers much easier.

Debian *is* the daddy .. Ubuntu is the shiny polished Debian .. Lubuntu is the lightweight buntu .. Peppermint is the polished Lubuntu.

Mint have a Debian based variant, and though it's an excellent example of what can be done with a Debian base, it's nowhere near as polished and easy to use as the Ubuntu based version.
(nor is it downloaded anywhere near as much)

Put simply .. the people that prefer "lightweight" above everything else are in the minority, and probably not Peppermints (or Debians for that matter) primary target.
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 09:13:08 am »
Put simply .. the people that prefer "lightweight" above everything else are in the minority, and probably not Peppermints (or Debians for that matter) primary target.
Well I must be weird or an oddball then, because no matter how much cpu power or ram I have, I want the machine to boot using the least amount of ram possible...
I have always been that way, my machine with 512 ram uses 48 megs to boot, and my machine with 4 gigs ram uses 48 megs to boot, it is just the way I am... I am a freak about it too, because on those machines I like to prove how light linux is compared to windows, those same machines running windows 7 with 4 gigs ram take over 900 megs to get the desktop, and only 48 megs under linux, I smile when I see that....  :P
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 09:20:43 am »
You said it not me ;)

The vast majority of people neither know or care about memory footprint .. if it works as expected, and is easy to use, and looks pretty...........

Memory footprint only comes into it if there's a problem for "most" people ;)

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It's nearly always  a mistake to think "Joe Average" has the same priorities as you .. If I were to build a distro based on only "my" requirements I have no doubt it would be more specialist so differ somewhat from Peppermint .. and probably get 10 downloads.
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 09:48:13 am »
Now I would download it 3 more times for you so your numbers go up...   LOL   ;)
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Re: Pepermint OS in the Linux family tree
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 05:20:12 pm »
My sentiments almost exactly echo those of PCNetSpec.

With the earlier Peppermint versions I spent an awful lot of time trying to streamline the system to be as low-resource as possible, but these days I worry about it quite a bit less. Of course, 4 years ago you could still find machines with 128MB or 256MB of RAM in everyday service. These days a system with under 1GB is quite rare, especially in areas with good internet infrastructure. The rest of the team and I have been putting an awful lot of effort into trying to make Peppermint look great and be as easy to use as possible as this ultimately does more for us than getting the idle RAM use down another few MB. Additionally, early builds of Peppermint were under 500MB so that people could use a 512MB flash drive as an installation medium. The past couple of releases haven't been as it's now quite difficult to walk into a store and buy something with that little storage (I'm still keeping it smaller than the 700MB required to fit on a CD in order to save as much bandwidth as possible).
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