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Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« on: July 28, 2016, 09:16:40 pm »
Great Peppermint 7 review by Mary Tomich of Sunday Morning Linux Review with additional input from Tony Bemus and Tom Lawrence :)

(from 1h44m5s)


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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2016, 01:11:37 am »
Nice, cozy, review !   :)

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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2016, 04:17:42 am »
There you go.  Mary Tee noticed the level of refinement Peppermint 7 has.  It really is things like this that puts Peppermint on a higher plane to most other distros.  Mark, I hope you're enjoying the well deserved glow of satisfaction  ;).
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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2016, 06:48:16 am »
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Mark, I hope you're enjoying the well deserved glow of satisfaction

I must say I am a bit, though I'm also glad she mentioned this is a TEAM effort :)

Dunno what that was with the theme change taking minutes  ??? .. as it was the only glitch and nobody else has ever mentioned it, I'm suspecting possibly bad sectors on the HDD (?) .. though we don't know what else she was doing concurrently, so it may have been swapping heavily at the time.

And I'm attributing the "focus follows mouse" issue as probably just the default menu behaviour not the whole OS (unless she'd accidentally turned that on).

Anyway, grand review and I was more than happy she did a properly researched review and obviously had spent at least a few days with it .. it's only after a few days you "get" Peppermint.

I only came across this site a couple of episodes ago and was impressed with her review of LinuxLite, so when they mentioned (in another section about Mint) not being able to start Nemo in dual-pane mode I posted that it could be done in Peppermint so should be possible in Mint .. I wasn't expecting her to go do a Peppermint review, so I was pleasantly surprised by this :)

Cheers SMLR (and Mary) much appreciated :)
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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2016, 12:59:49 pm »
Mary Tee noticed [...]

Heh !  I was going to mention her (I assume) nick.

I wonder if the 'Tee' is a subliminal reference to the 'tee' command ?!?!?   ;D

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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2016, 03:50:18 pm »
Yeah super review :)

I don't think it would be a bad thing taking on board her point regarding automounting USB drives, I like the idea of a popup offering the option to mount when a drive is plugged in

It was probebly the only criticism she had and I think it was a fair point




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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2016, 05:25:39 pm »
If you remember we looked into this prior to the beta testing but it required half the cinnamon desktop .. I'll see if a lighter way can be found / written but I'm not installing half of Cinnamon just to get it.

Personally I prefer not having it .. it's something I'd turn off if we had it, I hate unnecessary popups, and it is unnecessary,I mean what is it going to do if you click OK, it's going to open the file manager anyway right ???

IMHO, "file management" belongs in the file manager, not on the desktop as annoying popups that you have to click NO to if you don't immediately want to open the file manager .. but maybe I'm in the minority here ?
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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2016, 11:56:50 pm »
Hi all

Nice video (eventually) but I felt she was reading from a script and not just her notes. Annoyed me so much I had to watch it in around 10 bite size chunks, because I kept turning it off   :-\

USB Issue - If you also have a mis behaving USB drive and YES, they do misbehave and then behave again, all you get is POP UP!     POP UP!    POP UP!  every couple of minutes as it reconnects...  Very annoying.

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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 02:18:18 am »
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IMHO, "file management" belongs in the file manager

I would agree for most static files on the system but USB drives are portable and people plug them in for a reason (mainly to access them) usually there and then

I could argue the way it works now can be confusing because if I plug in a drive a small notification pops up telling me it's connected, Now we all know it's still not mounted at that point but to new users fresh from Windows that could mean it's good to go they then open EOG and try navigating to the USB drive and can't find it because it's not been mounted, 

I would guess no users new to Linux would know the difference between connected and mounted

I don't see what's wrong with one popup giving options what do with the drive ie open in file manager or an image viewer etc or just quietly automount the drive, I get your point about pulling all the cinnamon code but if something smaller could be written I still think it's the way to go



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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2016, 06:38:29 am »
Whatever you decide don't ever make it auto-mount!  ;)

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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2016, 07:01:16 am »
There is an option to have it automount without a popup .. just install usbmount .. though it mounts them with generic names (usb-0, usb-1, etc.)

Description from Synaptic:-
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This package automatically mounts USB mass storage devices (typically
USB pens) when they are plugged in, and unmounts them when they are
removed. The mountpoints (/media/usb[0-7] by default), filesystem types
to consider, and mount options are configurable. When multiple devices
are plugged in, the first available mountpoint is automatically
selected. If the device provides a model name, a symbolic link
/var/run/usbmount/MODELNAME pointing to the mountpoint is automatically
created.

The script that does the mounting is called by the udev daemon.
Therefore, USBmount requires a 2.6 (or newer) Linux kernel.

Firewire devices are also supported by USBmount.

USBmount is intended as a lightweight solution which is independent of
a desktop environment. Users which would like an icon to appear when an
USB device is plugged in should use the pmount and hal packages
instead.

And I'm generally happier with OPTIONS than to force stuff on everyone .. but if most people think it a good idea......

Be aware I haven't tested this in systemd .. it worked in PM6 though
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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2016, 10:34:27 am »
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There is an option to have it automount without a popup .. just install usbmount .. though it mounts them with generic names (usb-0, usb-1, etc.)

Well that's the answer isn't it just install some program nobodys ever heard of before



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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2016, 12:02:52 pm »
My point is - is an "answer" necessary ???

Half the people don't want it, half do .. there IS an option if you want it, but Peppermint isn't a heavy "bells and whistles" distro where every possibility is included out of the box.

And what's with the attitude ? .. I provided a possible workaround, and said I was open to discuss its inclusion in the respin if it's what people wanted :-\
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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2016, 03:13:23 pm »
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My point is - is an "answer" necessary

Probably not and sorry about the attitude it was a knee jerk reaction to the answer, I seem to be jumping down everybodys throat these days so please consider this a public apology

For me it's fine the way it is I was only thinking of new users moving to Peppermint and I didn't think your answer addressed that

Once again sorry


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Re: Sunday Morning Linux Review - Mary Tomich - Peppermint 7
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2016, 03:33:45 pm »
No worries mate, we all have off days .. I know I do :)
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