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SSD v Hybrid v HDD [Solved Pt2)
« on: October 21, 2015, 04:12:14 pm »
Hi All - Opinions and guidance and suggestions please

I am considering a HDD upgrade.  I lost a 1.5Tb internal drive (5 years old took a battering):    Do I choose 250Gb Samsung SSD and cheap 2Tb WD 5900 HDD   or   do I choose 1 x 4Tb WD 7900 HDD or   do I choose 2Tb Hybrid drive.
If I go SSD can I migrate (not re-install) Peppermint 6 and Win 10 to it ?  Thus freeing an old 1tb for my Distro hoping...  I can't help it I am addicted - lol
Because its an SSD is a clean install better ?
Will the SSD make that big of a difference to the general day to day running of the OS.  My main desktop machine does not get turned on and off (except when I am trying a new Distro) - so start up times I am not worried about.

Ho Hum - which way to go...   :-\
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 04:40:14 pm »
WITHOUT DOUBT - 250Gb Samsung SSD and cheap 2Tb
(even better if you can get the 256Gb Samsing Evo 850 PRO .. but ANY SSD will make an HDD look slow)

SSD for the OS and applications, HDD for storage of user files.

You get the benefits of both, without the "jack of all trades" tradeoffs of a hybrid drive.



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If I go SSD can I migrate (not re-install) Peppermint 6 and Win 10 to it ?

YES (with EasyUS) but VERY awkwardly .. I just did this again for the second time and gave up after the 7th attempt .. weird because it all went well the first time.

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Because its an SSD is a clean install better ?

Doesn't really matter .. but I'm betting you end up doing clean installs anyway ;)

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Will the SSD make that big of a difference to the general day to day running of the OS

If you have SATA-2 - YES, you'll soon wonder how you managed to get by with HDD's in the same way you did floppy --> HDD, or CD --> USB Stick

If you have SATA-3 - even more so.



I cannot stress strongly enough how after using SSD's I would NEVER consider putting an OS on an HDD again .. hopefully you'll soon understand why ;)
(particularly in a laptop where you also get the benefit of the SSD's MUCH better shock resitance and lower battery drain).
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2015, 03:20:39 pm »
OK - So went with SSD and 2Tb option - thanks for the advice and guidance  ;D

Guess what - you were right PCNetSpec - lol - clean install...  what a pita migrating it was - epic fail.

So here we are 100gb Win 10 install to the SSD,  So now to install Peppermint so it can control the boot process:)

131.88Gb left on Samsung SSD - How to partition it?  100Gb home and the rest boot with a 12Gb swap partition on another HDD ?   or does the swap go on the SSD  too ?

I am sure I read some where keep swap files and temp int files off of an SSD?

What mix would you guys an girls suggest  :-\ :-\

ps trash Win10 partition is not an option  :P

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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2015, 04:05:06 pm »
How much RAM do you have ?

and do you ever intend to "hibernate" Peppermint ?

and is the HDD an internal or external drive ?
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2015, 04:44:13 pm »
6Gb Ram

Don't think I have ever hibernated as I rarely turn Desktop PC off

and the other drive is an internal 2Tb HDD
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 05:12:55 pm »
Okey dokey then

you have a few options here, but here's what I'd do.....

On a modern 250Gb SSD you want to leave around 7% unparttiioned for over-provisioning (17.5GB)

With 6Gb RAM and no need for hibernation (hibernation would require a swap partition at least as big as your installed RAM) you're highly unlikely to ever need swap, so I'd go for a 2GB swap file and set swappiness to something lke "5"

I'm also not big on separate /home partitions, instead I prefer symlinking the user storage directories (Document/Pictures/Music/Video/etc.) to a storage partition on the HDD, so anything that gets put in them gets written to the HDD instead of the SSD leaving the SSD for the OS and applications (which benefit the most from the SSD's speed).

So let's say you have  150GB remaining of your SSD I'd create a 130Gb single ext4 partition for Peppermint, a 2Gb swap partition, and leave the remaining space unpartitioned (over-provision)

In short - leave 17.5Gb unpartitioned (at the end of the drive), have a 2Gb swap partition, and use the remaining space for a single partition for Peppermint.

Did that make sense ?

Any questions ?

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The HDD can then be formatted as NTFS so it's shareable from Peppermint and Windows
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2015, 05:25:25 pm »
Hi PCNetSpec

Thanks for that. Excellent...   one Q   the swap file goes on the SSD or the HDD?

and I assume grub goes on the SSD too?

Much appreciate the help getting this right first time... I don't intend to re-install this any time soon on the SSD...   Peppermint 7 not withstanding   ;D ;D
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2015, 05:30:38 pm »
Hi zebedeeboss, here's some extra reading to help you get the most out of your SSD: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd - have fun  ;).
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2015, 05:38:53 pm »
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2015, 05:59:39 pm »
Hi PCNetSpec

Thanks for that. Excellent...   one Q   the swap file goes on the SSD or the HDD?

YES .. in the unlikely event you use swap it'd benefit MASSIVELY from being on the SSD

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and I assume grub goes on the SSD too?

it does indeed .. you have 2 options here

a) put grub in the Peppermint partition .. and use the Windows bootloader to offer Peppermint (via EasyBCD)
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b) put GRUB in the root of the SSD (probably /dev/sda) and allow GRUB to offer Windows

Personally I'd go for (b) GRUB is more reliable and easier to fix/reinstall, but if you ever plan on removing Peppermint and/or distro hopping, (a) won't break Windows when you remove Linux.

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Of course if your system is UEFI, then as long as you're using the 64bit respin of Peppermint 6 it doesn't really matter where GRUB goes (but probably best in the Peppermint partition) .. you can edit the UEFI boot manager to choose which bootloader and OS to boot first.

UEFI does have some benefits ;)
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2015, 06:21:48 pm »
Ho Hum...   not gonna happen tonight

booted to usb stick  chose install Peppermint and it cannot see any partitions on the SSD drive even though W10 is on there fine and two other partitions are there and some free space...  all visible in Disk Manager within W10.    Gparted see just an empty SSD Drive

Lots of reading to do methinks...

But thanks to everyone so far for all the help...  The journey continues tomorrow after work...
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2015, 06:42:19 pm »
Hi zebedeeboss, are you using the Peppermint Six respin ISO?
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2015, 06:51:44 pm »
Are you using the 64bit respin of Peppermint 6 ?

Is this a UEFI system ?

From the LiveUSB, what's the output from:
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sudo blkid
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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2015, 02:26:06 am »
Morning all

Sorry PCNetSpec - was too engrossed reading elsewhere and missed your reply.
PC is not UEFI (its circa 2008 and a pcworld special cheapo) and I will assume the output from the commands is no longer needed as I have now installed it ok...

Note to self... Don't start an install at 11pm when you have got work in the morning - lol

Finally went to bed at 2:30am having at last installed Peppermint.     I eventually used http://www.rodsbooks.com/fixparts/ to fix the SSD.   Linux didn't like the remnants of a gpt record on the disk but running fixparts did the trick.

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Re: SSD v Hybrid v HDD [Solved Pt2)
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2015, 12:33:22 pm »
Great news .. glad you're up and running now :)
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