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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2015, 09:44:56 am »
Further info -

Sense seems to be prevailing......

I just got a flashplugin-installer update (11.2.202.491) and the Shockwave Flash plugin is back to "Always Activated" in Firefox 39 again. :)
(so flash is no longer being blocked by Firefox 39 in any way, shap,e or form)

I hate flash with a vengeance (badly written resource hog that it's become), but IMHO it's wrong to block users from accessing it (specially whilst it's still widely used) .. the target should be to get web devs to stop using it, or offer alternatives with a higher priority (in a way were websites load an HTML5 version if it's available).

But it NEEDS to be that websites stop offering it, not that browsers stop accessing it .. I didn't give Mozilla a remit to make judgement calls on  what I can and can't load .. by all means WARN me of the possible dangers, then load the damn flash if I want it.
(and even give me the option to disable the warnings once I've said I understand the risks)
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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2015, 10:24:19 am »
Thank you Slim and PCNetSpec,

I want the two of you to know that I read your responses to my friend whose computer runs Xubuntu, with the unsupported version of Flash, and she will now continue to use Firefox in Xubuntu --with ONLY one tab open when doing her online banking..

Although well-intended, I gave this terrific woman poor advice.  And I have now retracted this advice, and informed her of my error. 

Sometimes we need to have one tab, and only one tab open, we we are online taking care of important financial or personal matters.  How easy it is to overlook such a simple and sensible practice.

Thank you very, very much.

perknh

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In the meantime, I will eagerly await the day when Flash is no longer in use anywhere on the web at all.
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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2015, 08:13:43 pm »
I disabled Flash in Chromium three days ago, just to see what would happen.

The only difference I've noticed was one time, on one news site.  They used their own home-brew flash player, which didn't display the video, of course - just a small notification that Flash needed to be installed or updated to see the video, with the obligatory link to Adobe.  LoL

I'm just gonna keep running Chromium with Flash disabled.  It hasn't created any problems for me, yet...  ;)

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2015, 08:55:32 pm »
I disabled Flash in Chromium three days ago, just to see what would happen.

I just did the same, and YouTube is working just fine so far without it.

Simple enough:  chrome://plugins > Hit Enter > Go to Adobe Flash Player > Click Disable

That is easy peasy, nice and easy.  :)

I'm going to trying living without Flash in my Chromium browser too.

Great idea, VinDSL!  ;)
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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2015, 09:15:04 pm »
It seems to have improved Chromium's performance and behavior, of this machine, too.   ;)




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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2015, 09:33:18 pm »
Wait until you find a YouTube video in a codec your system can't play.   ;)  I've found a few of those since I got rid of Flash.  Mostly just trailers for games on Steam Greenlight.  I figure it's the uploaders' fault for using some weird codec.  ;)

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2015, 07:18:17 am »
Wait until you find a YouTube video in a codec your system can't play.   ;)

Actually, I'm looking for a little better performance in Chromium on low resource machines.  A few years ago, I used to be able to open 20-30 tabs in Chromium on this machine, without breaking_a_sweat.  Those days are over.

I'm lucky if I can open three 'complex' sites in tabs at the same time, for instance: LinkedIn, Plug.dj, and Soundcloud, without having Chromium lag out and/or the entire system freeze. 

Disabling Flash made a noticeable improvement, in this regard...

I've also limited the core file size:

Code: [Select]
vindsl@Zuul:~$ cat /etc/security/limits.conf
# /etc/security/limits.conf
#
#Each line describes a limit for a user in the form:
#
#<domain>        <type>  <item>  <value>
#
#Where:
#<domain> can be:
#        - a user name
#        - a group name, with @group syntax
#        - the wildcard *, for default entry
#        - the wildcard %, can be also used with %group syntax,
#                 for maxlogin limit
#        - NOTE: group and wildcard limits are not applied to root.
#          To apply a limit to the root user, <domain> must be
#          the literal username root.
#
#<type> can have the two values:
#        - "soft" for enforcing the soft limits
#        - "hard" for enforcing hard limits
#
#<item> can be one of the following:
#        - core - limits the core file size (KB)
#        - data - max data size (KB)
#        - fsize - maximum filesize (KB)
#        - memlock - max locked-in-memory address space (KB)
#        - nofile - max number of open files
#        - rss - max resident set size (KB)
#        - stack - max stack size (KB)
#        - cpu - max CPU time (MIN)
#        - nproc - max number of processes
#        - as - address space limit (KB)
#        - maxlogins - max number of logins for this user
#        - maxsyslogins - max number of logins on the system
#        - priority - the priority to run user process with
#        - locks - max number of file locks the user can hold
#        - sigpending - max number of pending signals
#        - msgqueue - max memory used by POSIX message queues (bytes)
#        - nice - max nice priority allowed to raise to values: [-20, 19]
#        - rtprio - max realtime priority
#        - chroot - change root to directory (Debian-specific)
#
#<domain>      <type>  <item>         <value>
#

* soft    core            0
root hard    core            1024
#*               hard    rss             10000
#@student        hard    nproc           20
#@faculty        soft    nproc           20
#@faculty        hard    nproc           50
#ftp             hard    nproc           0
#ftp             -       chroot          /ftp
#@student        -       maxlogins       4

# End of file
vindsl@Zuul:~$


vindsl@Zuul:~$ vindsl@Zuul:~$ ulimit -a
core file size          (blocks, -c) 0
data seg size           (kbytes, -d) unlimited
scheduling priority             (-e) 0
file size               (blocks, -f) unlimited
pending signals                 (-i) 7844
max locked memory       (kbytes, -l) 64
max memory size         (kbytes, -m) unlimited
open files                      (-n) 1024
pipe size            (512 bytes, -p) 8
POSIX message queues     (bytes, -q) 819200
real-time priority              (-r) 0
stack size              (kbytes, -s) 8192
cpu time               (seconds, -t) unlimited
max user processes              (-u) 7844
virtual memory          (kbytes, -v) unlimited
file locks                      (-x) unlimited
vindsl@Zuul:~$

And, tuned the VM:

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vindsl@Zuul:~$ sudo sysctl -p
[sudo] password for vindsl:
kernel.shmmax = 100000000
vm.overcommit_memory = 0
vm.overcommit_ratio = 50
vm.dirty_background_ratio = 10
vm.dirty_ratio = 15
vm.swappiness = 10
vindsl@Zuul:~$

Web performance will never be the way it used to be, on ancient iron.  Everything has evolved to the point that simply surfing the web has become an arduous task.

Really, I think it's time for Flash to disappear from the face of the planet, like the other dinosaurs... 
« Last Edit: July 17, 2015, 07:26:00 am by VinDSL, Reason: Addendum »

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2015, 11:55:35 am »
Really, I think it's time for Flash to disappear from the face of the planet, like the other dinosaurs...

Yes, definitely.  Silverlight too.  While less sites use it, there are still a few clinging to that crappy plugin.

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2015, 12:53:29 pm »
Really, I think it's time for Flash to disappear from the face of the planet, like the other dinosaurs...

Yes, definitely.  Silverlight too.  While less sites use it, there are still a few clinging to that crappy plugin.

And, one site which is still "clinging to that crappy plugin" is CNET.  I would have thought CNET would have transcended Flash by now.  By disabling Flash within Chromium, I'm learning more and more about the sites I visit.
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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2015, 01:11:28 pm »
I haven't been on CNet in ages.

But, yeah, you'd think a big tech site like them wouldn't be using outdated web protocols.

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2015, 06:37:35 pm »
Flash NEEDS to die, but trying to kill it by making it difficult for users to access it (when massive chunks of the web still use it) is a ****ing stupid idea.

It needs developers to be talked into stopping using it, and replacing their current flash content .. this isn't a user generated problem, so why are they being targeted for the hit ::)

I agree with this.  I'm a big fan of bicycle racing - a survivor of the Lance Armstrong debacle, even as an Austinite - and paid a fee to NBC Sports for network coverage (both live and replays) of the Tour de France, which began on July 4 and continues until the end of the month.  This flash debacle started after one week into my subscription, and unfortunately, NBC Sports uses Flash.  Most of my browsers on various computers (Firefox,Chrome, Chromium, Safari, and Midori) had to be reconfigured/updated in order for my subscription to work.  If content providers still use Flash, something needs to be done to get them to reconfigure their servers before interrupting access to downstream paying clientele.

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2015, 02:22:00 pm »
I find the fact that quite a few of the "major" entertainment sites still using Flash to be disturbing.  As I indicated, I don't have the flash plugin installed, so all I have to do to see if a site still uses flash is to try playing something.  As I already indicated earlier, Amazon still uses it and (even worse) Silverlight.  Yuck.  I found out the other day that Hulu is still using Flash.  Of course, Facebook does.  (try watching one of the FB hosted videos with no flash plugin ::) )  Various sports and news websites use it.  The problem is, people go to sites like these and see that they have to have that stupid plugin to view content, so they install it without question.  That's what is keeping Flash alive.  So, while we can blame the end user or Microsoft or whatever, the truth is that the big issue is still sites using Flash.
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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2015, 05:51:24 pm »
I know what you mean scifidude79.  I was following what, VinDSL was saying and I disabled Flash in Google Chrome.  I was really shocked when the BBC iPlayer wouldn't work until it was re-enabled  :o!  I really think that the major web browser providers should put their heads together and work out a schedule of mutually phasing out Flash support.  This will give site owners time to convert to HTML5.   Without some sort of bullying tactic, Flash is never going to fully disappear.
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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2015, 06:24:07 pm »
I agree what everyone has said above.  ;) 

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Re: Having issues with Flash in Firefox?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2015, 06:44:18 pm »
I really think that the major web browser providers should put their heads together and work out a schedule of mutually phasing out Flash support.  This will give site owners time to convert to HTML5.   Without some sort of bullying tactic, Flash is never going to fully disappear.

So you think it's for the browser authors to dictate web site content and protocols ?

Have you taken a job at Google Andy ?  :o

Wouldn't work anyway .. if the major browsers got together and dropped Flash, another browser would pop up to fill the gap using Flash support as its selling point .. and the big boys know it.
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