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Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« on: May 08, 2015, 04:03:37 am »
Hi,

A friend of mine, who has a PC running M$ Widows but without a Linux distro anywhere on it, asked me about installing Peppermint. One question that is important for him is whether he will be able to play his "Windows" games when running Peppermint. I know that without installing additional software (e.g. Wine) this is not possible.

Further discussion with him brought me quickly to my limits concerning Wine (about which I really know very little). He then surprised me by his knowledge of a Linux distro named PlayOnLinux, which seems to come with Wine already installed. His knowledge is, however, not much deeper than mine ...  :-X   I know nothing about PlayOnLinux, but understand Peppermint enough to help him get it installed, customized and running (and to use it to show him some of the many advantages of using Linux). I would like to convince (and help) him to start using Peppermint as a replacement (or at least as an much safer alternative) to M$ Windows

Our questions for you are:

1. In order to use Wine within a Linux distro to play "Windows" games is it necessary to also have M$ Windows installed on another partition of the computer (in order to access the needed libraries)?

2. Can one somehow backup the Windows libraries, delete the M$ Windows installation completely, install Peppermint, and then Wine, and then copy just the Windows libraries to some partition or directory so that the Wine program can access them to play the "Windows" games?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 10:51:33 am »
1) no you don't "need" windows on the PC, but as you've guessed access to some of the linked libraries can help
(though most of the time these can be found online if necessary)

2) Theoretically yes .. for each application set up to run in WINE, you can set up links to required "native" DLL's if required.
(by far the majority of which are going to be in Windows/System32)

a) be aware not every Windows game will run under WINE .. and most won't run as well as under native windows .. but a few arfe actually supposed to run better
b) some may be difficult to set up
c) PlayOnLinux is not a "distro", it's just an application that sets up SOME windows applications/games under WINE automagically for you .. if you look you'll find it in the default repos ;)
d) winetricks will also help install some windows components that may help get the games working (again in the repos)

Personally I'm not a fan of WINE, I think running software under its native OS is pretty much always easier, better, smoother .. Linux isn't Windows and IMHO is shouldn't be pretending to be, it'll NEVER be as good as Windows at being Windows ;)

If he wants to continue .. the WINE application database would be a good start, he can search for his games and get some idea how well they'll run under WINE (or not) and usually pick up some clues on how to get them running (or not).

Top ten Platinum and Gold lists
https://appdb.winehq.org/
and search (or browse) the AppDB here:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
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Re: Wine, Windows and Games
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2015, 01:50:04 pm »
Hi PCNetSpec,

Thank you for the quick a very informative reply. I will pass on the information and discuss it with him. If he has a large enough HDD with sufficient free space I can set up Peppermint on new partitions  and let him see for himself how damn good Peppermint really is compared to M$ Windows (except maybe for playing his "windows" games  ::) ). I can see him going for Peppermint for daily computer activities (spreadsheet work, writing documents, surfing the web, etc.) and perhaps retaining his M$ Windows installation for "gaming" (he does not do much online gaming, so those possible dangers are greatly reduced).

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 06:32:21 am »
There are quite a few Linux games available through Steam, (http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=&sort_by=_ASC&os=linux&page=1) but I guess that depends on what he wants to play.  There were some Windows gamers at work that were surprised when I told them Steam even exists for Linux.

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 02:19:52 pm »
+1 for using Steam and the increasing number of Linux games on that platform including great titles like Civilization series etc. More and more are being launched with Linux versions these days.

I think the only time I used PlayOnLinux was to play Hearthstone which ran 'ok'. There is the odd issue though. Agree with Mark that it'll never likely run as well as on its native platform, and you may have to compromise on some things

For me, the only reason I keep duel boot (Win 7) on my desktop is for some Win games that don't port well.

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2015, 06:04:18 pm »
Just to add to this discussion for those wanting to know more, Wine runs decent(ish) on some games, not so much for every one.  Games that are heavily DirectX dependent, especially 3D games, can have serious issues and may require tweaks to your Wine configuration.  Some Nvidia graphics processors can also be problematic with Wine.  One of the best things you can do is hit the Wine HQ website and check their App DB to see if the game/software you want to run is listed.  The advantage of this is that someone else will have tried running it and will tell you if it ran well and what things you can do to improve performance.  Though, some of their test results are pretty old.  You can also try PlayOnLinux, which is in the repositories.  The advantage of this is that, if you can find the game you want to play listed, it will actually find and download a custom install of the version of Wine best suited for that game.  It's a pretty sweet program, but you do need plenty of HD space for all of those Wine installations.  ;)

However, the best advice I can give anybody wanting to game on Linux is to see if the game is available native.   As sanguinemoon said, Steam is available Linux native, and many games are available for Linux on it.  Though, you do need to be careful as some of their "Linux" releases are just Wine ports.  I have one that I bought months ago which is a Crossover (altered, paid version of Wine) port, but I didn't know that when I bought it.  Also, GOG (good old games) is another site with a good selection of Linux games for sale, with more added frequently.  In fact, I almost like GOG better than Steam at times because a lot of their old DOS games in their store are available for Linux, where the same ones on Steam aren't.  They're just DOSBox ports, so there's no reason they can't run on Linux.  A couple of games I already had on there (Duke Nukem and Duke Nukem 2) were recently released for Linux, which made me happy.  Plus, GOG offers .deb package downloads, as opposed to having to use a DRM game client.  And, both stores will let you download any game you buy at any time for your platform when it becomes available, which is really nice.

So, it's a really fantastic time to be a Linux gamer.  This is as opposed to 6 years ago, when I first started on Linux, where pretty much all you had was whatever was in the repositories.  Personally, I don't buy games anymore without a Linux native version, as I only run Windows on one computer and not by choice.  (and maybe not for much longer)

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2015, 04:12:19 am »
I'm no big gamer.  I have Steam installed and have Half-Life, Half-Life 2 and SteamWorld Dig, (if you're unfamiliar with SteamWorld Dig, you should check it out.  It's a blast).  These are all ported for Linux.  This is where I make my assessment of WINE.  On one hand it's a blessing because it provides access to otherwise inaccessible titles.  On the other hand it's a curse.  WINE seriously reduces the incentive for games developers to invest time, effort and the most conspicuous motivator - money into porting their games to Linux.  It's been done for them by proxy.  Okay games don't run as well for the most part.  However they're adequate and weighing that against the cost of development and maintenance.  They're happy to roll with it.   This in turn helps to perpetuate the myth that Linux can't play games.

On a similar note.  I was reading the other day an article about Logitech, (I wish I could find it).  Anyway to cut to the chase.  It got me fired up.  A Linux user got in touch with Logitech's technical support.  He said he was very snootily told that Logitech does not support Linux.  He was then told that there are 3rd party alternatives that provide solutions.  He was given no indication of which software to look for.  He was just told to do a Google search.  I was nodding in agreement, thinking about congruity and concordance and how these work better than Logitech's in house software.  That's when the alarm bells went off in my head.  Of course Logitech aren't going to provide Linux support.  Why the hell should they, when 3rd party software developers are doing a better job than they can for free.  What really ticks me off about proprietary parasites like Logitech.  They don't even make an acknowledgment gesture by providing some funding to maintain these projects.  They're happy enough that Linux users buy their products though.  I personally think that companies that rely on the goodwill of the Linux community without providing any funding should be named and shamed. 

Wow, this coffee today has really given me the grumps.  That's my rant over - for now  >:(!!
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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2015, 05:38:16 am »
And an interesting  and accurate rant it was .. that would probably be a very good idea for a website, hell you could sell t-shirts.

OK, now I wanna "Logitech Leech Linux .. shame on you" t-shirt. :)
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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2015, 06:12:26 am »
There you go,  Logitech are now officially Logitech Leech or just plain, Logileech.   They can keep the name - gratis and with the thanks of the Linux community  ;)!!
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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2015, 06:16:30 am »
That's something I never thought about since I just plug in my keyboards and mice and it's good to go. I think that guy needed something like Solaar ?

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2015, 06:25:12 am »
I wrote them a new corporate slogan. Let's see if they'll accept it :)

Logileech , larcenously leeching Linux with lavicious longing for legal tender since 1991 (tm)

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 06:27:49 am »
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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 07:15:31 am »
@sanguinemoon

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2015, 12:39:33 pm »
Well, crap.  I guess I'm done using Logitech.  (after my mice and speakers die, let's not get crazy)

Back on Andy's comments about Wine, I think he's right that it does kill the incentive of developers.  I hate it when I'm on a site like Steam or GOG and people (usually, including me) are asking for a Linux port of something and several other users chime in with "just run it on Wine."    ::)  It's that kind of mentality that keeps some stuff from being ported.

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Re: Wine, Windows and Games [SOLVED]
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2015, 07:53:08 pm »
Well, crap.  I guess I'm done using Logitech.  (after my mice and speakers die, let's not get crazy)

Funny you should mention that!   Why?  ;D

2 days ago, while updating a Wikipedia article (ahem), my Logitech corded mouse decided to go crazy - highlighting text, every time I moved it - clicking hyperlinks all over the page, without me touching the buttons, and so forth, and so on.

I grabbed an old 2-button Logitech mouse out of the closet, that I keep around for emergencies.  The pointer froze, every few seconds.  I spent more time pounding it on my desk, trying to break it to pieces, than typing.

My Logitech wireless mouse wasn't much better.  It's got its own special set of quirks (which I won't bore you with).

I'm done with Logitech.  I've got boxes of  Logitech junk  in my garage, with various problems, that I've collected over the years .  This latest failure is the final stray.

I've had good luck with Dell mouses at work.  The cheap ones work surprisingly good, and they take a beating, literally.

You'll probably laugh at this, but here's what I ordered, last night:  http://goo.gl/Js6E9N

!000 dpi 3-button optical mouse, with a flexible, light & long cord, and a scroll wheel made in heaven.

Best part is, they sell them factory-new (in the bag) on flea-bay for USD $8.00 delivered to your door.

Screw Logitech!!! 

Okay, I'll stop now.  I don't want to hijack this thread.  LoL   :D