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Trying to install Peppermint 5 64bit on my Lenovo G5070, using a live USB.

This this has way too many partitions for me to understand. I am feeling very tempted to just format the entire disk and use it for Peppermint, but right now I need Windows for a few things still.

Any advice as to where I can start?

Peppermint gives me the option to erase the disk, or to do something else. Normally I have a dual boot option (with laptops without Windows 8.1), but now I am hesitant.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2015, 12:49:01 pm by 10i »
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 03:08:08 pm »
So I found a few guides, and they all start with resize your Windows partition. Which I did. I have 100 GB of free space for Linux.

Next question: Where to install the bootloader?



Feels like I am getting closer, will be able to check again tomorrow.
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 11:17:51 am »
 Hi 10i, how's it going?  I see from another thread you've done the UEFI and Secure Boot thing.  I would say you need to install the bootloader to the MBR: /dev/sda.  Then after you've booted into Peppermint Five, run:
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 11:20:08 am »
Thanks Andy, I have been wondering if I should not try to install to a usb 3 sandisk flash drive instead if the HDD?

There is such a lot that looks like it could go wrong here.

I will wait for Mark, just in case.
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 01:57:44 pm »
I can't give concise advice here, I haven't much experience with UEFI and dual booting with a pre-installed Win8/8.1

I'm "fairly" sure Peppermint won;t like the fact Windows is on a HDD that has a GPT partition table, requiring you to :-

wipe the HDD
create a new msdox sstyle partition table
reinstall Win8/8.1
then install Peppermint

I'm also fairly sure that if you carry on as you were above, and tell Peppermint to install GRUB to /dev/sda it'll likely break Windows booting.

But I can't be 100% positive about any of this.

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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2015, 03:45:19 pm »
So, let me look into this a bit further. Maybe I should wipe everything and install Peppermint, then install Windows XP inside a virtual machine?

Any thoughts guys?
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2015, 05:43:04 pm »
if you're game for wiping it, here's what I'd try in order

1) Install Peppermint to the space you freed up, placing the bootloader on the same partition as Peppermint / .. so if Peppermint installs to /dev/sda8 then also place the bootloader at /dev/sda8
Once installed, boot into Windows and use EasyBCD to add Peppermint to the Windows bootloader.

If that doesn't work

2) See if Peppermint will install to the space you freed up .. putting the bootloader at /dev/sda and seeing if Peppermint adds Windows to the GRUB bootloader

If that doesn't work and/or breaks Windows

3) Boot to the Peppermint LiveCD/LiveUSB .. use gparted to change the partition table to "msdos" instead of "GPT" (this will also wipe the drive) .. then use the Win8.1 media you created earlier to reinstall Win8.1 .. then install Peppermint.



If you DON'T want to risk the Windows installation that's already there I'd consider getting another HDD ..  keeping your current HDD somewhere safe .. then doing (3) above on the new HDD.
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2015, 05:52:12 pm »
Hi 10i, PCNetSpec beat me to the mark here  :D.  I'm posting just because I had it all written up.  I'm basically thinking the same way as Mark.  It's must be a better idea to create an installation media, (rescue disk) for Windows 8.1.  Then nuke your drive to bare bones.  After you've done that.  Use GParted from your Peppermint Five Live Media to make a new partition that's set to msdos rather than the GPT partition table.  You can now re-install Window 8.1 using your recovery media.  After than you can install Peppermint Five next to Windows whichever way you wish.  At least this way you will have a viable version of Windows to work with. 

I would again use GParted to shrink the Window partition to make space for Peppermint Five.  Partition the freed space with 20GB for /root, 2x your RAM for /swap and the rest as /home.  I would then use the Something Else option in the Peppermint Installer to install Peppermint Five.  Just a thought  :-\.
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 01:00:05 am »
Hi guys, thanks for the replies. Will look into this when I have time again
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 12:13:47 pm »
If you DON'T want to risk the Windows installation that's already there I'd consider getting another HDD ..  keeping your current HDD somewhere safe .. then doing (3) above on the new HDD.

You guys know a lot more about HDDs than me, but I do know that changing your boot up option within your BIOS to boot from an external hard drive first is a good idea.  Then, for about $40, you can have Peppermint 5 installed onto a USB 3, 500 GB Toshiba external hard drive.

After doing this, your Peppermint 5 installation will boot up first, and it will be blistering fast too.  Then when, for whatever reason, you can't use Peppermint, you just need to reboot the computer and pick Windows 8.1 as your temporary boot option. (At boot up you'll see on the screen your two OS options for about 5-10 seconds.) Also, you can just remove the external hard drive containing Peppermint 5 for as long as you don't need it.  Then you'll have your laptop with Windows 8.1 only.
 
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 12:37:46 pm »
Sounds good, although an external hdd will cost me around R650, I was thinking of trying it with a cruder extreme USB 3 flash drive.

I am a bit tapped out after buying the laptop.
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 12:58:31 pm »
Hello 10i,

That's how I started out with Peppermint -- but with an 8 G USB 2 flash drive.  And it was so easy, I just used Ubuntu's recommended USB installer, and added full persistence.  Full persistence is important when you don't need to do a complicated install which requires passwords.  This approach did everything I needed, and for only about $5-$10!  :)

A USB 3 flash drive would be even better, and more convenient too!

Good idea!  ;)

perknh

P.S.

I always get a warning with this link in Windows, but this link worked for me the other day when I tried putting MATE on an old HP desktop computer, and all I had was Windows 7 to work from at the time.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/Universal-USB-Installer.shtml
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 01:07:44 pm »
Thanks Perknh, I think I will do that for now.
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2015, 09:12:14 am »
Buying a 32 GB cruzer extreme USB 3 drive later today and hope to test tonight :)
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Re: Need help setting up partitions - Windows 8.1 dual boot
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2015, 09:22:14 am »
Buying a 32 GB cruzer extreme USB 3 drive later today and hope to test tonight :)

That's great!  I've never even seen a USB 3 flash drive back here in Cow Hampshire, USA.  I know USB 3s run 10 times faster than USB 2s.  So with speedy Peppermint on it, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up be faster than Windows 8.1 itself.  And 32 bits?  That's a USB flash drive made for champs!  :)

Report back, please.  Got to hear how this goes for you.   ;)

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