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5 more days till Lubuntu release
« on: April 12, 2014, 03:09:56 pm »
5 more days till Lubuntu release...
Peppermint 5 coming soon...
I can't wait...  LOL     ;)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 05:23:38 pm »
I was playing around with 14.04 LTS Beta yesterday from a thumb drive.  It looks a feels really good.  Its certainly quick.  You really notice the difference between LXDE on Openbox and LXDE on Xfwm4. I can understand why Kendall chose to use Xfwm4,  That's not saying anything bad about Openbox.  If it is a hint at what PM 5 going to be like, I'm going to like it.
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 07:45:59 pm »
Notice the difference how ?
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 08:15:46 am »
Yeah, the first thing I noticed was how geometrical OpenBox is.  The sharp corners on the window boxes.  Xfwm4 allows for much softer graphics with the rounded corners.  The graphical effects are far more varied compared to the choice of, "on or off" with OpenBox.  Maybe its my artistic side but Xfwm4 + LXDE produces a far more organic desktop experience than the mechanical hardness of OpenBox + LXDE.  As I said, I'm not knocking OpenBox.  I Just think it works better as a stand alone window manager -  Crunchbang, ArchBang and ManjaroBox really showcase OpenBox well.   :)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 09:16:59 am »
I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact I agree whole heatedly .. I just wondered what it was that you preferred :)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2014, 09:47:45 am »
Oh yes,  I know what you mean.  Yeah, I think that Xfwm4+LXDE provides a much better desktop experience than the OpenBox+LXDE combo.   OpenBox needs to be used as a stand alone window manager.  That's where you see its beauty and elegance.  The Xfwm4+LXDE combo is almost serendipitous considering LXDE was meant to be paired up with OpenBox.  I can see other light weight distros using the Xfwm4+LXDE combo in the future.  Its a great example of Linux's flexibility.  8)!
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2014, 03:29:36 pm »
I tried the lubuntu daily build on a second laptop now and I ran into a problem...  the machine won't shut down or reboot without holding down the power button...
Dang I guess this means peppermint 5 won't work on that machine unless there is some kind of a fix for this problem....  :(
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2014, 03:50:50 pm »
NEVER shut down a Linux PC by holding the power button, or pulling the plug .. you are HIGHLY likely do corrupt the file system.

Rebooting/Shutting Down a *nix operating system safely.

If you are unable to shut down from the command line with:
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then use the REISUB/O trick.....

This *should* work in ALL cases except a kernel panic (or obviously a keyboard failure), in which case you have no option other than to use the power switch
( a kernel panic is "usually*, but not always, signified by alternately flashing keyboard lights)

Hit and hold Alt+SysRq .. now whilst holding them, type R E I S U B leaving a few seconds between each keystroke (preferably till hard drive activity stops).



REISUB is an old Unix keyboard sequence to reboot a frozen system without screwing up the file system.
(REISUO powers OFF the PC rather than rebooting)

In case you're interested, the REISUB keystrokes are actually sending commands to the core linux kernel. This is what it's doing:-

R = Take control of the keyboard.
E = Tell all running programs except from the master control system to terminate.
I = Forceably kill any programs which didn't shut down from the last command
S = Force any unwritten, cached data to be written to the hard-drives .. Some files, when they're written to your hard-drive are cached in RAM (which is wiped when it looses power), in order to speed things up. This command makes sure they're all written to the hard drive from RAM.
U = Remount the drives read-only, makes sure nothing can write to your hard-drive(s)
B = Restart the system.
or
O = Power OFF the system.

REISUB can be remembered with "Restart Even If System Utterly Broken" .. you'll have to remember the O yourself ;)

Remenber to leave a few seconds between keystrokes, for the commands to do their thing.

Hints -

Some laptops require AltGr+SysRq instead of Alt+SysRq

SysRq on most PC's ia the same key as PrtSc (print screen)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 04:08:34 pm »
thank you for that info, I will remember that... 
is there any way to fix it so it boots and shuts down on its own???
I'm sure peppermint 5 will probably do the same thing since it will be based on this version of lubuntu....  :)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2014, 05:08:10 pm »
I tried your little trick and it don't work on this laptop.... 
guess the power button is what i will have to use, to continue playing with it on this particular machine....
I did however hit escape when shutting down to remove splash screen, and it gets all the down too (system halt) then sits at a flashing cursor....  :)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 05:24:16 pm »
I had a freeze around Christmas. I couldn't get R E I S U B to work on my lappie either.  I tried every combo I could think of.  I even gripped a pencil between my teeth to use as an extra hand.  I gave up an went for broke with the power button.  Fortunately, I got away with it.  Another reason why backups are vital - just in case of unforeseen disasters!  :)
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2014, 05:35:27 pm »
what is funny is it works great on the other laptop reboot and shutdown normally, I think this laptop has a problem somewhere because it is not the only distro to not shutdown...  i had a few i was trying on it, just to play around and give me something to do until peppermint 5 comes out, but I think a lot of the problem is video card related...  its a shame but what can you do....
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2014, 08:20:53 am »
I tried your little trick and it don't work on this laptop.... 
guess the power button is what i will have to use, to continue playing with it on this particular machine....
I did however hit escape when shutting down to remove splash screen, and it gets all the down too (system halt) then sits at a flashing cursor....  :)

Sounds like an ACPI issue .. and if it's getting as far as unmounting the drives then it's OK to use the power button.

If I'm right, there's no safe and easy way to fix it as it's a BIOS issue.

A later BIOS *MAY* fix the issue, but probably not, and getting this wrong could brick the PC .. so isn't really worth the risk.

Beyond that, there may be a kernel boot parameteer that will work, but this wil take some experimenting.

Has it ever shut down properly with any Linux distro ?
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 10:20:35 am »
Sounds like an ACPI issue .. and if it's getting as far as unmounting the drives then it's OK to use the power button.
If I'm right, there's no safe and easy way to fix it as it's a BIOS issue.
A later BIOS *MAY* fix the issue, but probably not, and getting this wrong could brick the PC .. so isn't really worth the risk.
Beyond that, there may be a kernel boot parameteer that will work, but this wil take some experimenting.
Has it ever shut down properly with any Linux distro ?
It has the last made bios in it, but I am betting you are right about acpi....
Yes other distros work....
the distros that shutdown and boot are below....
1. Peppermint 3
2. LXLE 12.04.4
3. LMDE Mate up8
4. SolydX 32 bit 201401
The distros that won't shut down and reboot are
1. Antix M14
2. Lubuntu 14.04 daily build
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Re: 5 more days till Lubuntu release
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2014, 10:29:02 am »
Unlikely to be an ACPI issue then.

Have you run a full system update ?

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