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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2015, 03:05:36 pm »
I vote peppermint 6 adopts Cinnamon, because linux mint 17 cinnamon is the best linux I ever ran, my only beef with it is you can't turn off crap you don't use, which would save a ton of memory... Since peppermint has always been light weight, I would definitely switch all my machines over if they looked and ran just like Mint 17 Cinnamon...     :D
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2015, 03:26:09 pm »
But if we adopted the Cinnamon desktop, we wouldn't have the look and feel of Peppermint any longer.  It would be a lot like adopting Unity.  With the exception of MATE's Applications, Places, and System, the MATE DE is an awfully lot like LXDE.  Peppermint Nation would feel right at home is they used MATE.  There would hardly be any learning curve at all.
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2015, 03:48:22 pm »
My first taste of Linux was with LMDE Cinnamon 1.8.  I was shocked how beautiful it was.  I often had both friends and strangers asking how I got my Windows to look and behave like this or that  ;D.  Everyone was really surprised when they realized it was Linux.  They were even more surprised to find out LMDE Cinnamon was just one of hundreds of Linux distros and variations of a theme.  While I do think the Cinnamon DE wins the crown for best looking of any DE, on any platform.  It is a little too heavy to be seriously considered as a spin for a lightweight distro like Peppermint. 

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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2015, 03:54:55 pm »
Hi AndyInMokum,

Cinnamon even looks nicer than Windows 7 itself.  It is very attractive.  But MATE flies.  I don't know which distribution is faster, Peppermint or MATE; but they're both extremely fast.  ;)

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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2015, 04:16:17 pm »
Hi perknh, how's it going?  I know where you are coming from.  Ubuntu MATE is undoubtedly fast and I think it is also really nice looking.  I have already expressed my enthusiasm to the idea of a Peppermint MATE spin.  I do have go back to what PCNetSpec keeps saying about MATE being based on old defunct code though.  Is it like beating a dead horse?  I don't know, I'm not that experienced in these matters.  I sincerely hope that this is one of those rare occasions that PCNetSpec is wrong.  However as we all know, those instances are far and few between  ;).
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2015, 04:34:31 pm »
I sincerely hope that this is one of those rare occasions that PCNetSpec is wrong.  However as we all know, those instances are far and few between  ;).

Hi AndyInMokum,

You're right.  Everything PCNetSpec makes sense.  But I believe this is one of those rare times when even PCNetSpec is hoping he will be wrong.  It would be nice if all the old true Linuxites could have their old GNOME experience back -- even if it is now called MATE.

I can see there is a grassroots movement happening right now with MATE.  I'm excited to see how far it will go.  Something has to change. This is exciting stuff.  Linux is the People's OS after all!   :)
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2015, 05:07:44 pm »
However as we all know, those instances are far and few between  ;).

That depends who you ask .. according to my missus I'm rarely (if ever) right ;)
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2015, 05:13:12 pm »
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I sincerely hope that this is one of those rare occasions that PCNetSpec is wrong.

What do you mean "Rare"

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However as we all know, those instances are far and few between 

"Are they ?"

Yeah ok he's probably right (he does have a habit of being right a lot, it's very annoying) but like you Andy I don't know that much about libraries and all that behind the scenes stuff that goes into making a distro but in spite of that Mate did look to me a perfect fit for Peppermint

When Mate was first introduced I was running Mint (Can't remember the version) but if I remember correctly it was offered alongside the first version of Cinnamon and was more or less a transitional option until Gnome got their act together with Gnome3 and most people gave it a very short life expectancy that was a few years ago now and Mate is still being actively developed, gaining interest and used in many distros

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Just out of curiosity If you don't think Mate would be a good choice for Peppermint what would you suggest ?


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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2015, 05:35:10 pm »
I didn't say MATE wouldn't be a good fit, just that it has no LONG TERM future unless there are major changes or a LOT more active developers (which I hope they get).. I didn't say anything at all about which direction Peppermint should take, that's not my call.

Personally I've always liked Peppermints willingness to mix and match desktop components.
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2015, 05:36:49 pm »
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That depends who you ask .. according to my missus I'm rarely (if ever) right ;)
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2015, 05:38:54 pm »
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2015, 05:52:55 pm »
Your missus and mine must be reading the same instruction manual  :D!!

And it's been translated into multiple languages too!  ;D
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2015, 06:14:00 pm »
The Linux desktop battle (and why it matters)
Jack Wallen ponders the problem with the ever-lagging acceptance of the Linux desktop and poses a radical solution.

By Jack Wallen March 26, 2015, 10:24 AM PST for TechRepublic / U.S.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-linux-desktop-battle-and-why-it-matters/
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2015, 06:30:55 pm »
Biggest bunch of drivel I've read in  while

Yeah sure, lets turn Linux into Windows 8.1 with one desktop and one package manager, choice is confusing, etc. etc. blah blah blah......

Windows users don't like the new metaphor either (mac users don't count as they'd buy a turd if it had an apple logo on it and was priced so they could feel elitist).. and let's face it, it's not being done to make a "better" desktop UI, it's being done to converge the desktop UI and mobile UI so less work for the devs in the long term .. problem is it's at the expense of both ::)

He says he's against change for the sake of change .. then babbles on about its only benefit being it "looks" more modern ..

Modern doesn't automatically equate to "better" .. in fact at an ever increasing rate, and in a LOT of fields it actually means worse/cheaper/shallow ::)

We don't make square wheels to make them look modern .. round works, end of development.
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