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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2015, 07:07:11 pm »
Ahh right gotcha .. sarcasm :)

I was thinking of another word...

HINT:  It contains the vowels A-E-I-O-U (in that order).   :)

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But that's close enough.
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2015, 07:22:03 pm »
OK, either you were being FACETIOUS

or

Unity = TRAGEDIOUS

Both will do for me :D
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2015, 08:50:15 pm »
Where would we be without GNOME or Unity now?


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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2015, 05:48:38 am »
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"but given how light Linux already is, that's overkill"

If we're talking about "desktop" Linux that was true once upon a time maybe .. now there's more need for lightweight distros than ever ::)

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Where would we be without GNOME or Unity now?

If you mean Gnome 3 .. Personally I'd probably still be using Ubuntu with the smaller, lighter, more resource efficient, more customisable, and simply better laid out Gnome 2.x

but if you mean if "Gnome" had never existed .. erm, missing a lot of apps and libraries, and probably still on WIndows  :(
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2015, 06:44:06 am »
"but given how light Linux already is, that's overkill"

If we're talking about "desktop" Linux that was true once upon a time maybe .. now there's more need for lightweight distros than ever ::)

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Where would we be without GNOME or Unity now?

For sure, that video was wrong about the lightness of the various Ubuntus.  Running Xubuntu, MATE, Lubuntu, and, of course, Peppermint makes a huge difference on how well an old computer runs with Linux.  (Unfortunately that aura rendering feature within Chromium hasn't been so helpful on old computers.)  >:(

But as for GNOME, isn't Ubuntu's official flavor of GNOME essentially the old Ubuntu?  I'm a latecomer here, maybe I've never really experienced the original GNOME desktop, but I thought Ubuntu's GNOME flavor was a continuation of the original GNOME Ubuntu.

This is the GNOME desktop I mean:

http://ubuntugnome.org/screenshots/


Isn't this Ubuntu flavor a continuation of the original Ubuntu?

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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2015, 08:22:29 am »
Hi perknh,


I agree with you: you discovered Ubuntu a little too late to have experienced the "original" Gnome version of Ubuntu. No, the "old ubuntu" with the original gnome that PCNetSpec mentions is not what your screen shots are showing. I do not have any screen shots to show it but maybe someone else does ...


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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2015, 08:28:37 am »
Hello Slim.Fatz,

I guess what I'm missing here is GNOME 1 -- something I'll never experience with Ubuntu.

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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2015, 08:58:16 am »
If my only choice was ubuntu linux with unity or windows, i would take windows every time....  :)
Oh wait I am using windows 7 on my main computer so all I run is windows, so I guess that tells you what I think of linux and unity... 
None of the distributions is good enough for me yet...  Until they can do what windows does windows will always be my OS of choice... 
All hail windows the greatest OS ever made...   :)
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2015, 11:27:11 am »
What your screenshots of Ubuntu-Gnome show Gnome 3 and the Gnome Shell

Gnome 2.x looked like MATE .. indeed MATE is a fork of Gnome 2.x by people who didn't like Unity and G3/GS



Here's Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat .. the last version with Gnome 2.x and IMHO the best Ubuntu ever (as soon as you moved the minimise/maximise/close buttons back to the right) .. more configurable, WAY lighter, and with MANY more third party plugins for functionality expansion.

Minimise/maximise/close buttons had been on the right in all previous versions .. they moved to the left in 10.10, the first sign of the idiocy to come and everyone went nuts, luckily it was easy to move them back to the right (something that would later be made impossible in Unity ::) )

This release also marks the point at which Canonical/Ubuntu stopped listening to its users .. they were told the buttons were staying on the left no matter what users thought  .. Shuttleworth decreed that's were they were going to be in Unity so get used to it >:(

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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2015, 11:58:46 am »
I was an ubuntu user long before this switch in meerkat, I always thought ubuntu was the greatest, then came the changes and i went elsewhere and found mint which is my go to OS, and peppermint for the older machines.... 
But I still love and use only windows on my machine...  just can't find programs to work my equipment that is not windows based, so I am stuck with windows myself...  however all other machines in my house run linux....
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2015, 02:06:34 pm »
Hello PCNetSpec & rjm65,

I think I would have liked Maverick Meerkat if I had had a chance to try it.  The Ubuntu you guys are talking about existed a year and a half before before I got involved with Precise Pangolin.  And, needless to say, I was delighted with Ubuntu after escaping from Windows.  But It sounds to me as if Ubuntu was really the People's OS at one time.

This is sad tale I'm hearing.  I understand the feelings of nearly universal rancor now.  It sounds as if the movement back to the original GNOME would be to make use of MATE -- but I get a sense something is still missing that Meerkat had.  I don't hear people saying that they've now got Ubuntu back now that they have Ubuntu MATE, but maybe that's only because MATE isn't an officially recognized flavor of Ubuntu yet. (This being said, I've never heard one ill word uttered about Ubuntu's MATE project -- not one.  Heck, at their request, I even sent MATE a tiny $2 tip, a feature I'd like to see appear in Peppermint, I might add.)

If either one of you guys has checked out MATE, I'd like to know how close is it to Ubuntu's Maverick Meerkat?  MATE is great, but the project hasn't bumped up from 14.04.1 to 14.04.2 yet -- although MATE's 15.04 Vivid Vervet is on a roll, and with the 3.19 kernel too!  ;)
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2015, 02:32:03 pm »
I was installing ubuntu on peoples machines two years before maverick came out the first ubuntu i was installing was hardy heron 8.04 lts...
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2015, 02:41:19 pm »
Wow!  We're talking nearly seven years.  Yes, rjm65, you've seen Ubuntu from both sides now.
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2015, 02:44:46 pm »
I only would install lts, i think but not sure lucid lynx was lts, and when meerkat came out i went back to installing lucid lynx, because it was such a stable piece and worked on everything i installed it on back then....   :D
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Re: Why Such a Dislike and Lack of Adoption for the Unity Desktop?
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2015, 03:13:05 pm »
Maverick Meerkat was probably something like Peppermint 4 -- my all-time favorite Peppermnt distribution.  Peppermint 4 flew like a rocket, and was as solid as a rock.  And it didn't have that unhelpful aura rendering service going on within Chromium either.

I do admit I like Unity, but I started there.  This being said, I do keep an eye on it.  I don't trust it completely.  I don't like needing to know the secret handshake in order to turn off online search results, or to turn off the recording of file and application usage, or Ubuntu's addition of Amazon -- as if we need any of that nonsense.

Maybe MATE will be the way to go for Ubuntu in the future, but if Unity is going to be the wave of the future for mobile devices, I think MATE will remain a desktop environment more than an interface for mobile devices.

But, here's the thing I have with MATE:  When I finish configuring it, it always ends up looking nearly identical to Peppermint anyway. (I believe I've been Peppermintized!  ;))  Still MATE it is a wonderful flavor of Ubuntu, and I really do like it a lot.

All credit for this discovery goes to AndyInMokum.  Without him telling me about it, I would have missed learning about a wonderful DE.
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