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autoupdater not updating
« on: October 10, 2014, 07:10:27 pm »
it seems now i can only update manually the updater no longer automatically sends me an alert when updates are available
any way to fix this?
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2014, 07:56:13 pm »
software updater i still not giving me alerts when new updates are avail basically i just manually check now and they do install
but i would assume something is broken here? can anyone help?
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2014, 09:50:57 pm »
Hello iamesperambient,

I configured my computer to boot Peppermint 5 on an external hard drive first, and then, if I wish, I can go to Lubuntu as my second option.  I'm telling you this because I wanted to see if this was only happening to us in Peppermint, or if this was happening to anyone using Ubuntu, or its derivatives. 

I can now tell you this seems to be happening to anyone using Ubuntu and its derivatives.

Therefore,  iamesperambient, I've had the chance to reality test what you've said, and you're right.  I, too, have not been notified of updates in Peppermint 5, and the same is true for Lubuntu.  And I had updates for both distributions too -- as you have had.

Therefore, this appears to me to be an Ubuntu issue that we, at Peppermint, are inheriting.

These updates, thankfully, don't appear, at this moment, to be security updates, but I am having the same update problem too -- so your misery has company!   ;)

I think either PCNetSpec, or Kendall, will know what is happening here, but I've tested your concern, and I have experienced it also.

Let's see what PCNetSpec, or Kendall, says about this new, and interesting issue.

By the way, I've never seen, or had, a dull moment at Peppermint.  This is one reason why I love this forum -- and why it remains my favorite place on the web.  There's life here at Peppermint forum -- thank goodness!  :)

Thank you for telling us about this issue.

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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2014, 10:26:44 pm »
thanks for the checking in hopefully the issue will be resolved. At least manually i'm still able to get the updates but a notification again would be
much better as i tend to forget.
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 05:53:33 am »
After posting I checked if my wife's computer, which is running only Peppermint, has the same issue, and it does.

I imagine they'll sort this out over at Ubuntu, and the fix will come right through the pipeline to us here at Peppermint.

By the way, did you run the command: sudo apt-get upgrade?

There's an upgrade available for us too.
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 07:44:32 am »
Irun Ubuntu 14.04 and don't have a problem with automatic updates.



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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 08:08:40 am »
Hi Degsy, please be careful of making duplicate postings!!  I've removed the duplicate entry this time.  Many thanks  ;).
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2014, 09:32:52 am »
Degsy, this is interesting.  Can we have a Lubuntu issue with updating, and not an Ubuntu issue also?

Maybe iamesperambient and I just needed to wait a little longer and the updates would have come through for us automatically like they normally do.

I'm stumped!  :-\
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2014, 10:50:24 am »
I haven't replied yet as this doesn't seem to affect everyone and so far I haven't got to the root of the issue .. indeed I'm receiving update notifications as expected on my systems  :o

Emegra on the other hand gets notifications on 'some' of his PC's and not on others .. yet so far we can find no consistent differences or fixes between them  :-\

Modifying the sources.list worked on 2 of Emegras PC's but apparently not on a third.
(even though the modified sources.list had the same entries .. just laid out differently  :-\ )

Someone else changed non-security updates to "daily" .. then rebooted (and was notified of updates) .. then switched back to "weekly" .. but this also doesn't work consistently (didn't work on Emegra's last PC).

Personally I think Ubuntu's update manager has been broken in a few different ways (at least) since 13.04
For a lot of people the
Software & Updates > Updates (tab) > tickboxes
aren't tickable .. yet the repositories ARE enabled in the sources.list, and for some reason are showing u under the "Other Software" tab
(BTW, I don't think this issue is related to the update notification issue)

I'm trying to backtrack how it all slots together (bit of a maze), but I'm beginning to think it's more of a software issue than a configuration one.

If I find a solution, and it's fixable with an update, it will be done .. until  then you'll have to manually update.
(that said, it's hard to dissect an issue you're unable to replicate)

Meanwhile if anyone comes across any useful info about this issue, please let me know :)
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2014, 11:38:50 am »
Can someone (iamesperambient) who has this issue post the output from:
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ps aux | grep [u]pdate-notifier
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2014, 11:46:26 am »
Here we go, PCNetSpec.  This is the output from three of our hard drives, one of which is from Lubuntu.  You'll be able to compare them to iamesperambient's output when he's back online.

Here's the output from my external hard drive which is running Peppermint 5 -- minus my wife's name:

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*****@bluecat ~ $ ps aux | grep pdate-notifier
*****    1652  0.0  0.2 597016 15028 ?        Sl   11:29   0:00 update-notifier
*****@bluecat ~ $
[close]

Here's the output from my wife's computer which is running only Peppermint 5 -- minus her name again:

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*****@Shanghai ~ $ ps aux | grep pdate-notifier
*****    1675  0.0  0.1 597156 13320 ?        Sl   11:48   0:00 update-notifier
****@Shanghai ~ $
[close]

And this is from Lubuntu 14.04 -- which is on my computer's internal hard drive:

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*****@bluecat:~$ ps aux | grep pdate-notifier
*****    1639  0.0  0.2 634084 14896 ?        Sl   11:56   0:00 update-notifier
*****@bluecat:~$
[close]


I should add something here.  I've noticed lately that I can manually run sudo apt-get update in the terminal, and after doing this run the software updater, and the software updater will then show me what is available to update, and ask me, if I'd like to update now.  It's as if updating -- not upgrading -- in the terminal had had no effect when I had just previously run it. 

This has only been happening to me for a week or so.  And I also had this strange issue with updating 12 days ago:

http://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,1081.msg9264.html#msg9264

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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2014, 12:07:07 pm »
my p5 machine never auto updates either, every week on Saturday i manually scan for updates with the manager, and it finds them and does its job... But it never pops up and warns me ever of any updates by itself...   I always wanted to ask why did you ever stop using the update manager you had in Pep3 which worked great and sat by the clock all the time with a check mark for good and an ! for updates...  simple working one just like linux mint had, I swear it was mints updater they looked the same....
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2014, 12:47:26 pm »
here is the output from me
iamesper@justin-Latitude-D630 ~ $ ps aux | grep pdate-notifier
iamesper  1641  0.0  0.5 232620 11528 ?        Sl   01:38   0:00 update-notifier
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2014, 01:28:38 pm »
OK, so it's not because update-notifier isn't running.
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Re: autoupdater not updating
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2014, 06:19:49 pm »
Who wants to try mintupdate as used in earlier versions of Peppermint ?
(with its system tray icon for updates)
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